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Apps in US are now allowed to charge users outside of AppStore
Company “Epic” won rhe case against Apple. Now (in US) develoeprs are allowed to bypass apples’s store for charging users. This is BIG !! No more 30% fees to apple.
https://www.revenuecat.com/blog/growth/apple-anti-steering-ruling-monetization-strategy/
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This ruling will be appealed to the Supreme Court. That's how the legal system works.
I have no deeper understanding of US law but looks like Apple already complying to this decision
Kindle books have only been available to buy outside the AppStore for ever …..
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It's 15% in the vast majority of cases. Only if an app developer makes more than $1,000,000 per year on the App Store is it subject to 30%.
(Sorry, it's my mission in life to spot and correct all the 30% mentions. 😛)
Not to argue, but since we’re on the mission - $1M / dev not app, and there is the proceeds vs profit… both can make the difference.
Thanks. Yeh, I knew that but made the mistake of posting before the coffee kicked in. 😉
Will this mean that people will be able to make purchases directly in the Bandcamp app instead of having to do all the purchasing on the website? I could see this would be a bit of a bonus, at least in the USA. The rest of the world might still be waiting a while though.
I just love how the internet (as a broad category term for "everything") is becoming more and more fragmented (and thus more convoluted and unpredictable) due to all this legal bullshit. I thought we lived in the age of Globalization™️ and are now one big family 😃
Biggest mindfuck for me are people fighting against globalization .. They have no idea how much makes globalization their life more comfort and cheaper .. I am always like “wtf, do you want ro return back to cave to live just from what you grow or what ??”
Biggest irony are just socialists using tools which they have available just thanks to free market and capitalism - in their fight against free market and capitalism 🤣🤣
I am really loosing any faith to humanity, more comfortable our life is, more stupid ideas we have how to throw away all advancements of modern western civilisation and return go back to stone age lifestyle..
I'm neutral on this one. I don't think that globalization, or even the Industrial Revolution for that matter, has objectively made humans happier. Have they made life safer? Yes, probably. Is safety equivalent to happiness? Not sure. Has it made life less stressful on the whole? Not sure. Less immediate "Killed by snake" stress? Yes. Less "I have to do 3 jobs that I could get kicked out of at any time and file 200 tax forms and 500 EU forms daily" stress? Hell no!
The ultimate measure of Quality Of Life is happiness. Which is -- ironically -- hard to measure 🤣
Watch out! You haven't lived stone age life so you can't possibly know if it was better or worse!
It certainly was better for the environment and resource usage though...
Epic didn’t win.
The only effective change is that Apple aren’t allowed to prohibit ‘steering’ in the US.
Nothing much else has changed. If you’re in the US you still can’t buy an app from a third party store.
Fortnite was kicked out for having a third party App Store built in. That still isn’t allowed. Epic lost most of the trial points. Nothing new to see here.
All that’s new is that a judge found Apple in contempt of the original court order from the Epic games trial regarding steering.
In app purchases must still be made through Apple, but now a dev is actually allowed to say ‘click here to buy stuff on our store’ and link to an external browser. and encouraging a user to do so is no longer prohibited either.
It’s effectively the same as before, you can still subscribe to Netflix on Netflix.com, the only change is that Netflix is now allowed to tell you and link to Netflix.com. Apple should have done these very minor things years ago but ignored the court.
For every such "win", there may be a tightening of the belt down the road. Big picture, or whatnot. As we have already seen, not all conveniences and features the App Store provides for developers (and by extension, users - e.g. those impacted by the migration of IAP content to a less robust hosting solution which are now also an added cost for developers) are guaranteed to remain forever as part of the current offering. Perhaps not as a provably direct consequence of these cases, but we're certainly not in the know about that.
The free market and capitalism are just systems, not the means of production, that involves people, before the capitalist system we had a different system that preceded it, feudalism and early capitalists had to operate within its confines until it was superseded.
The judge is so unimpressed with Apple, one of their execs is possibly facing criminal charges for lying in court.
Phil Schiller came out of it fairly well. He was the Apple appointed exec that went to the trial. He told them what they should do to comply. And Tim Cook ignored him. And the guy he listened to (who wanted the measures to be even more anti competitive than they were before) is the one that might face criminal charges (Luca Maestri).
They tried to be greedy by charging 27% for in app purchases though a different credit card processor with extra anti competitive things like making devs account for it and pay extra for return payment within the next 7 days. Now they can’t do any of that.
Which is what most people would have thought is exactly what the judge meant 3 years ago (or whenever the original ruling was).
Apple thought they were above the law. Thankfully the judge didn’t agree.
And still Apple have appealed.
Money talks.
The daft thing is, all that will change from a consumer point of view is devs will be allowed to actually link to a website to take payments. And tell customers about it. Apple won’t get to build a system that has alternative payments within their own IAP framework. So in the long run Apple will make less money. If they’d been less greedy they’d have probably earnt more. Most people would have stuck with Apple’s system anyway. Now they can be told there’s another way. It’s frankly mind boggling that Apple never allowed that.
It’ll be interesting to see how far Epic push things if they get Fortnite back in the store. I’m sure they won’t let it lie — and Apple will probably find lots of reasons to delay approving Fortnite app submissions. It might get even more childish and petty.
To me the saddest thing in this is how we customers generally prefer to sit blindfolded quietly…
What would you have us do? I don't see how this is in our hands.
I'm all for activism when there's something that can be acted on. Wringing my hands over something I that I have no ability to influence doesn't accomplish anything. I don't call that sitting blindfolded quietly either.
I'm not trying to be difficult. It's a sincere question.
It’s systemic, now you can let it come to it’s natural end or tear it down, evolution or revolution, one requires patience the other activism.
I really don’t know. Probably just a desire to point a finger when you realise you’re part of the problem
Maybe devs could have done something more, maybe YouTubers… these things don’t change on their own.