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Unless anything has changed since I tired of the brief fascination I had with his delivery style, the guy doesn't have an investigative bone in his body. Skill at regurgitating skillfully chosen provocative articles sure, but investigative skills of his own? You can't really be serious, can you?
He is not suggesting that Brand is an investigative reporter.
Just as reporters broke the Watergate and Iran-Contra stories there is now a controversy around Brand.
He has been charged with rape and sexual assult.
Brand is the story, not the reporter.
Perhaps I should have included more of the quote:
He's a presenter, not a journalist, and certainly not a heroic one.
I can't argue with you there, though I don't think his acolytes see it that way.
I did enjoy watching him for a bit until the novelty wore off. I do think a small part of what he regurgitates is worthy of open minded consideration. I think a lot of people buy into all of it as fact though.
@wim yes Brand is the story, investigated by I believe The Times and Channel 4 this was then passed to the police to investigate further. Sorry I didn’t make that clearer, possibly confusing the matter by presenting Roger Cook, who did investigate mainly petty crimes.
Here’s the video from 2022, with Biden clearly stating he has cancer.
Prostate cancer is one of the main cancers that is linked to proximity to oil refineries.
LAMF
Well that’s a perfect summation of these three cases and the state of politics in general, that’s the level of corruption of the system, a laughable joke, but all too often a very sickening one.
An interesting lecture - discussion with Oliver Stone recently taken place before a young Russian audience, but one that’s applicable to all including the awakening young across the West.
A glimpse of hope in the Orwellian times. First realisation, then hopefully change.
Tried reading the transcript but it’s just nonsense after nonsense after nonsense.
While there is definitely hypocrisy in the west, there’s so much more in Russia…
Yep, I read it all through, no debate, just a lecture on how terrible the west is with no comparative analysis of the other side in all of it, followed by some very sycophantic questions. Pretty much textbook authoritarian state propaganda, nice 👌
Tbh I do agree that the USA squandered it’s century, it could have used its wealth much better and perhaps been a much better place for its own citizens and for those of the rest of the world.
@Krupa four post’s of insinuation and no substance you looking for a job in the MSM, you seem aptly qualified.
A speech that basically repeats the talking points he’s drilled down into over the last forty years with little nuance for an audience that just wants to hear how bad the west is and how Russia is an innocent victim in everything. I mean come on, grow up. I’m from the left of politics, but this worship of authoritarian systems from many of my friends and fellow travellers is really sickening.
Your constant use of the term msm reveals far more about your attitude to seeing things from anything other than a pre conceived set of beliefs. There are many wrongs in this world, and many rights, but to believe that they all emanate from one source is just silly. I believe in a multi polar world, I see that there could be a harmony between the great centres of power, and that the global south should have a louder voice in all of it, but I don’t see that in these lectures, just a simple excoriation of that which a single leader sees fit to further his cause.
@Krupa your heading in the correct direction, but still seem to be missing the point, the global south knows all too well about oppression, the vast majority of which was and still is perpetrated by the Western European nations including the USA and other settler colonies of the west.
The MSM has the reach smaller entities do not get, smaller independents have to earn this whilst trying to stay clear of censorship, you speak as to the propagandist nature of the video above, yet fail to mention that counter arguments are very rare amongst MSM outlets of the West, this has led to declining viewership of these outlets, I’m sure Mr. Stone would love to debate these matters amongst others in the Western media.
The reason so many of the ultra rich purchase these outlets old forms and new is for that purpose, reach.
Repeatedly stating Putin Bad, Putin Bad, is frankly hysterical nonsense without giving reasons, this then also needs the allowing for the countering of the claims, now that’s real debate.
For instance Russiagate, totally unfounded two investigations into the Trump administration,
Hunter Biden’s laptop - Russian disinformation,
Nordstream initially blamed on Putin,
Cutting of cables, blamed on Russia then China,
Power outage in Spain, insinuation Russia could be responsible from BBC’s Joe Tidy
Russia responsible for hacking M&S, Co-op,
The three suspects arrested for arson, now supposedly have links to Russia.
Not forgetting Jake Tapper himself stating claims of Biden’s dementia was Russian disinformation.
These are only a few examples, from the Trusted News Network.
We need to debate whether Putin is bad...?
I can tell you why Putin is bad. He’s been taking from his people for as long as he’s been in power, with open threats of violence and death against those who will not comply. He’s a gangster, and I, like most people, hate gangsters. I don’t worship them, I don’t think they folk heroes, they’re parasites that feed on people’s fear and prey on the weak. To think that in any way he presents any sort of meaningful way forward is so misguided as to be wilfully stupid, and quite probably just someone who likes to see others bullied.
To try to patronise me is hilarious; I probably started closer to where you are now twenty odd years ago, but actual reading and understanding things from many sides has given me what I consider a far broader perspective. I’m far more treebeard these days (I’m not altogether on anyone’s side as they’re more or less not on mine) but Im certainly not fooled by the kind of stuff that they’re getting poor old Oliver to spoon feed to the kids of the wealthy and indoctrinated over there…
I think if you really read from many sources you will see the espoused that you claim are not (since being a paper boy I got the habit to read from all the broad sheets, the Financial Times, the Red tops, the Mail and all that, to socialist worker etc, later I even subscribed to class war for a good long time). That’s the beauty of the free press, you just have to put the work in to find things out, rather than just go to the outlet that tickles your fancy the most.
For instance, colonialisation. You present as though it’s only the west that continues to perpetrate it, but in recent decades, China has been the major culprit of this by investing in exactly the same way that western organisations have previously, with similar expectations on returns and influence. Russia tbh just does it old school with violence perpetrated across the continent of Africa (many good independent journalists report from all over the place on this)
I do think it’s easy, practically a joke, that Russia gets the finger pointed at it for anything that goes wrong, but then again, they do do a heck of a lot of heavy lifting in the hacking and disinformation bracket. We do the same I’m sure, it’s just the silly old great game still being played out, probably forever. I just can’t get with the bully boy worship thing man, it’s sickening and upsetting…
Lot’s of rhetoric, low on factual evidence, you see in my arguments I do endeavour to provide evidence, hence those few cases I cited above, you state China as being hegemonic but give little evidence aside from it’s trading ventures which if you talk of mafia tactics take a look at the Panama Canal dealings of late or Tik-Tok for example.
You see I don’t think everything is Black and White, in all nations, but our western press does, well until reality catches up with them and ties them in knots of hypocrisy.
Another little thought on colonisation, have you ever seen the expansion of Russia since the fifteenth century? It would make England blush at the scale, and the funny thing, they never gave it back 🤔 in fact they hold it with extreme force, conscripting the kids from poor families to feed into their grinder, all to keep the wolf of popular uprising from Putin’s door. They are just as culpable for the world’s problems as anyone else is, despite hobbling their own progress and thus having an economy the size of a middle European country, they still hold the greatest nuclear arsenal on the planet and use it as a threat to us all.
With the amount of MSM posts you make I’m afraid it’s a little late in the day for yourself, after all you think the royal family akin to Disney, do you not. Lord Mountbatten would have loved you dearly.
Coup, coup, coup.
That’s the trouble, you say you doing think I’m black and white, but it’s clear you’ve got a side in the game. I didn’t see any factual evidence in anything you stated, similar rhetoric to mine. I’m not sure we’ve got space for the documentation to back up either standpoint here. I would heartily recommend the whole of The nutmeg’s curse by Amitav Ghosh. A detailed history of colonisation, using that spice as a touchstone, with blame all round, the latter chapters dealing with how it saddens him to see developing countries currently making the same mistakes western ones made centuries ago…
Yeah the whole thinking I think in black and white thing is mad, I’m convinced you’re the one doing that😅😂 I so gray thinking these days…
Russiagate involved two investigations based on surveillance gained by the FBI using false accusations about a member of the Trump team being in cahoots with Russian contacts, he was in contact with Russian citizens at the behest of the CIA this was known to the FBI, but not disclosed to the Judge who allowed the surveillance, all this then the Mueller investigation proved no links involving Trump, but was constantly smeared in the MSM. Do you need the further evidence I can provide if needed?
As to the collusion of the MSM in hiding Biden’s mental decline well his own supporters are providing no end of evidence of this.
Where is the investigation report into the Nordstream destruction? Well being covered up by the investigators themselves, whilst spinning the tale of a few drunken Ukrainian personnel sailing in the boat the Andromeda.
So much misinformation it’s really laughable, apart from the people dying in the process to further their cause.
Even Congress and Obama had the good sense to realise the implications of the actions in Ukraine, but this was lost in the face of the prevailing narrative.
But then again we’re in this for as long as it takes….. as long as we can…. Russia has lost, Russia has lost.
Close your eyes repeat this mantra.
You see it’s weird, cause I’m not seeing that story in the media at all, I’m seeing in the news that it all very much it’s a stalemate with Russia having a constant numbers advantage… you must be really selecting your sources to only see the message you say you see…
Russia gate, yeah they looked, they didn’t find collusion, but plenty of evidence that they did what they were accused of, just without the rock solid collusion bit, so not quite the black and white slam dunk you want to portray (to coin a phrase).
The journalists who were fooled by the dems over Biden are now feeling either pretty stupid, or exposed (if they did collude )’
And yeah norsdstream, does look like a bit of a stitch up, though they do keep losing cables in the Baltic, maybe it’s all Ukrainian, maybe not, we’ll likely never know…
But you know, to return the favour, just keep parroting the Kremlin and one day none of us will know which way is up or down and their (your) work will be done.
Wars more often than not are waged over territory and the ‘winner’ usually the one that gains the most territory, but some wars are based on attrition and logistics, this war is the latter, once a force is worn down, the territory can easily be taken then.
The American civil war was a merciless war of attrition, the outcome of little surprise, but the cost was immense on both sides.
The cables in the Baltic well until there’s any evidence put forward there’s not much that can be debated, but that doesn’t stop insinuations that all add to the narrative while lacking a factual basis.
Russiagate had a considerable remit to discern wrongdoing, the found nothing except a few minor cases.
I don’t speak for Russia nor Putin, just ascertainable reasonable fact or the lack thereof, especially when false claims are used to smear parties.
Ok 👍
Sure that’s what debate is all about
If anyone wonders why I feel the way I do about the west here is an interview with a Jewish single mother Ukrainian, who tells of life in Ukraine before and after she left, a deeply saddening story not being told by the MSM.
But do you think that Putin is bad and the invasion of Ukraine was a crime?
I do think Putin was wrong for the invasion, but he wasn’t the only party that was wrong, the moves from NATO starting from the dissolution of the USSR have been highly provocative especially given the promises made at the time of the reunification of Germany.
Supporting and arming NAZI far right elements within Ukraine was another terrible step, this led to them having undue influence over governance, persecution of ethnic minorities deemed ‘non-Ukrainian’ as well as Russian speakers, in speech, culture and worship.
A negotiated peaceful settlement was thrown away, by these NAZI’s or Boris Johnson or the West that was the Istanbul draft agreement, printed in the NYT’s, the cost, devastation and hundreds of thousands of dead and probably three times the number in casualties, but Sen. Graham smiled and said it was the best money we spent.