inconsistency re 6/8 vs 6/4 in various hosts (with a focus on Loopy Pro)

JustinOllman

I was playing around in Logic with a song in 6/8. It all sounded about right and I thought I'd try out some work in Loopy Pro. At the same tempo in 6/8, loopy's metronome ticked at half the speed.

I went back to Logic and set the tempo to 6/4, where the ticks were then the same as Loopy's at 6/8.

So it seems the 2 apps interpret what that tempo means differently.

I compared AUM, which doesn't have 6/8, only 6/4 (in fact all it's time sigs have 4 as the denominator.) At 6/4 it was in line with Logic at 6/4.

So it seems Loopy may be defining 6/8 incorrectly??? Or is there inconsistency out in theory land about this?

You'd think it doesn't matter, just adjust the tempo to suit, but it all goes wrong when you add a drum machine, especially one like jAmp percussive or the Lumbeat ones that provides drum patterns for you, and they are either 2x too fast or slow or just sound wrong. I was trying Percussive, and after doubling the host tempo it left me with only half a bar of steps to play with...

Anyone else have these kind o0f issues?

espiegel123

@JustinOllman said:
I was playing around in Logic with a song in 6/8. It all sounded about right and I thought I'd try out some work in Loopy Pro. At the same tempo in 6/8, loopy's metronome ticked at half the speed.

I went back to Logic and set the tempo to 6/4, where the ticks were then the same as Loopy's at 6/8.

So it seems the 2 apps interpret what that tempo means differently.

I compared AUM, which doesn't have 6/8, only 6/4 (in fact all it's time sigs have 4 as the denominator.) At 6/4 it was in line with Logic at 6/4.

So it seems Loopy may be defining 6/8 incorrectly??? Or is there inconsistency out in theory land about this?

You'd think it doesn't matter, just adjust the tempo to suit, but it all goes wrong when you add a drum machine, especially one like jAmp percussive or the Lumbeat ones that provides drum patterns for you, and they are either 2x too fast or slow or just sound wrong. I was trying Percussive, and after doubling the host tempo it left me with only half a bar of steps to play with...

Anyone else have these kind o0f issues?

Loopy’s meters are all really x/4

JustinOllman

Isn't that kinda a problem?

espiegel123

@JustinOllman said:
Isn't that kinda a problem?

Think of it as working the same way as AUM and that it is a labeling error - of sorts.

wim

This should be interesting ... 🍿

JustinOllman

Don't break out the popcorn on my account lol.

SevenSystems

The only question that matters is: is Xequence's implementation correct™️? 🤡🍿

RetroNewb

I’ve mentioned & requested /8 & /16 for Aum in various threads , seemingly ignored .
Makes many of my projects unusable with it as I like to play with non- 4/4 beats ,
as it also affects the bar numbers count for syncing with other apps .

(edit - my hopes rose with addition of clock divider /multiplier few months ago ,
but still couldn’t get it to compensate sync correctly )

I had been planning on finally getting Loopy Pro when midi version drops ,
very disappointed to learn if it has similar failing .

JustinOllman

@SevenSystems said:
The only question that matters is: is Xequence's implementation correct™️? 🤡🍿

good work!

SevenSystems

@JustinOllman said:

@SevenSystems said:
The only question that matters is: is Xequence's implementation correct™️? 🤡🍿

good work!

Oh, IS IT? I'm Not A Music Lawyer 😄