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Using 2.0 as a Multi-Fx Processor?
Hi Everyone,
I have a rather long (apologies up front) video..... showing how I use the current version of Loopy Pro; which is predominantly as a multi-fx processor.
Again....sorry the video is so long; but I wanted to explain how I have 30 unique presets; where a preset is a collection or set of plugins, and their settings to create a unique sound at the "pedalboard" or ENTIRE Loop Pro level. I don't use an amp - I line out to a PA system.
As.... version two dot oh..... is coming out soon; I am looking for ways to BETTER /improve my approach in using LP as a multi-fx processor. As well, I want to be certain that I don't spend HOURS going down a rabbit hole approach that leads to nothing(ness) and frustration.
https://checkoutmyvidz.s3.us-east-1.amazonaws.com/PedalBoardApproach.mp4
There are some new things that I will want to take advantage of, such as routing audio from one audio bus to another. This exists in AUM, and more importantly.... the Axe Fx III Multi-Fx processor allows you to do this.
AGAIN...sorry for the long, and somewhat boring video..... but I have about 30ish presets, made up from over 50+ plugins, and I want to discern the BEST way to a) create the presets with the fewest number of actions b) organize them for ease of visibility and ease of access.
The video explains my current approach and biggest challenges. This video also has some approach ideas that I had, which may - or may not - be good.
Thanks for Watching and Your Recommendations With 2.0
AJ
Comments
Hey,
Thanks for putting this together and sharing your thoughts. IMHO, don't apologise for the long video; I for one am thankful to see / hear other people's perspective, especially around the Guitar + iPad as MultiFX, so I appreciate the effort.
I'm relatively new to Loopy (but have already used it as guitar multifx live) , quite a bit longer to AUM, but I've been around pedals and multifx for decades, and I'm pretty much on the same trip as you are, also moving from Helix to iPad (also considering computer too; that'd be another follow up) as I really enjoy the plug-in ecosystem and its possibilities. So I think I fully understand where you're coming from and where you're heading.
You kind of skipped (or I missed) mentioning the actual need / use case. I think this is very important... it's not the same managing presets to play at home, record, the occasional loose jam, do full gigs, etc. I mean, the "managing presets" problem statement may have different approaches depending on the context it happens.
A quick thought though is that you're trying to do too much within a single LP Project. I don't feel it's necessary having all your presets within a single project. That creates all the chained actions complications you're mentioning. IMO, I think it's better to match LP Projects to HX Presets, and then build within each Project / Preset whatever snapshots you need. Conveniently, LP has a Setlist functionality to transition LP Projects (which I argue should be your presets) smoothly.
I find the other approaches you mention at the end as interesting to entertain, but perhaps not too practical? I mean, sure for some things like delays or reverbs that sit at the end it can make sense to have a category bus to run different sound sources through, but I can't see the same thing happening for middle-of-the-chain effects.
I did like your initial idea of having different channel strips / bus for a particular kind of sound like "clean" / "crunch" to simplify actions, toggling things on and off or changing plugin presets. That can be a nice compromise to achieve simple snapshots, just toggling whole buses on/off, and then leave actual snapshots (with radio buttons, etc.) for more subtle changes within those buses (like plugin presets / settings).
So I guess my main point would be to explore mapping LP Projects to HX Presets around your need: a song, a situation (jam, gig, etc.) and reduce all the action action
to something more akin to HX Snapshots within a Preset/Project
Let me know if this makes sense or maybe I just didn't get where you're going. Happy and very interested to continue the conversation and hear from others too; as I said, I'm very actively exploring and experimenting with this idea of using the iPad as a MultiFX on the level of Helix and the like.
@insucedible WOW, Thank you for watching through and your suggestions.
I think you're right. It's like I want to put all my kitchen stuff in ONE single drawer, and yet .....somehow.... have it super organized and easy to access. Equating that to Loopy is like putting it all in one single project.
And if I look through the literal set (or typical sets that I play), in reality the first 'x' songs probably only use 6 or 8 of the 30+ presets that I have. The next 'x' songs use 6 or so of my 30+ presets, some different ones, but some of the same presets as well. I could break things up or organize them more effectively.
To be honest, I have not explored Loopy's setlist functionality. If it's easy to switch between projects, then this can help me a ton. I absolutely have time in between songs to load a new project. I don't think in the middle of a song that would work, but in between songs for sure.
Hi there,
If I understand correctly, the thing with the Setlist function is that you can load another loopy project (read: HX preset) seamlessly, without disruption in sound. I haven't tried it myself, but it looks very useful in our context.
Another thing I forgot to mention that I believe is a killer LP feature that's very relevant in this conversation...
So, as you know you can assign MIDI devices like foot-switches to buttons (or anything really) and then actions, etc. The killer feature, IMHO, is that you can have the same foot-switch assigned to different buttons on each page of the LP workspace / canvas, and you can set whether the scope of the assignment is per page or global. Super useful. I bought LP for this feature alone.
So as long as you have a means to navigate through pages (ie two foot-switches or even just one to circle around) you can use the handful you have left in your MIDI controller to do essentially as many things as you want, just by organising assignments in pages. In other apps, one foot-switch can be assigned to several buttons / action, but all at the same time, that is, they're always global.
In my opinion, this changes the game in making the iPad a viable MultiFX with a few interesting controllers with built-in audio interfaces, like the Xtone or the MELO Audio, or even some others with more buttons, as there are so many things you can do with the iPad AUv3 ecosystem beyond turning FX on and off that there are never enough foot-switches
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Anyway, this was a big deal for me in this journey, let me know if you find it useful
@insucedible - you can also leverage Profiles so that you don't even have to use other pages. You can have one button (or something like a long-press) to switch profiles that are customized to controlling the FX that you want.
Organizing using pages is a good approach too. I hadn't considered that. 😎
Thanks for chiming in @wim !
I’ve come across Profiles in the menus and such, but i haven’t explored its meaning or functionality🤔
Looks like it’s worth taking a closer look!
@insucedible - here's one early video that gives a brief introduction. Plus you get to see the legend himself presenting...
I didn’t even know you could use pages that way. Not knowing how it actually works, it’s very promising. It would make for a much better UI, so you’d know exactly where you are and what you’re controlling.
If I’m understanding it right, you press a footswitch A to go to page 1 where you have the loops. In that page footswitch 1,2,3 control loop functionality.
Then you press Footswitch B and it takes you to an effect page. There footswitches 1,2,3 will scroll through presets, mute or unmute buses, the volume pedal will control reverb mix, whatever… that seems a lot more “transparent” and friendly than profile switching.
Is that how it works?.
To comment on @insucedible recommendation to setup individual projects as presets… I’m not very keen on that. If you wanted to add some useful global widget or modify or improve something “globally” in your setup it’d be really hard to do. You’d have to open x projects, modify, save…. For example, you get a new reverb that beats all the previous ones and you want to replace all other reverb plugins for this new one. You’d have to it in 30 projects… which is exactly what you’d have to do on a Helix, but Loopy allows for other options.
When you set up midi bindings to onscreen objects, you can choose whether the binding applies to a particular object on a particular page or that object on the current page.
You can also use follow actions to change the control profile(s) when you switch to a certain page.
@tahiche @espiegel123 @wim @insucedible
It would be AWESSOMEness.... it I could have some "common" or "reusable" widgets across pages; SUCH that any changes to those widgets in any one place would result in them being updated on every/any page that they are on.
This would allow me to have a page for each "family" or "group" or "bank" of presets; and not have to babysit any of the common widgets. Some examples of common ones would be things like a master mute button (for emergencies); a stepdial that changes control profiles for my (singular) expression pedal, button for selecting the next/previous clip, the record button....etc.
I know you can copy and paste widgets from one page to another. HOWEVER.... IF I paste a widget from Page A to Page C, and if I update it on Page C (because I'm already on Page C working on other widgets).... will it then update on Page A as well??
Thanks!!
@Vmusic : you can create the 'real widget on a page (I call mine the library page) and put widgets on other pages that trigger it. That way, I can change the actions in the widget on the library page only. Many of my projects have widgets on the pages I interact with that really are triggering 'library' widgets.
The feature you suggest would be cool -- given the current to-do list, I wouldn't expect a change like that in the near term.
Here's a feature request that I think fits.
https://roadmap.loopypro.com/feature-requests/p/widget-templates
This library thingy is a good approach. 👍
When possible, these kind f “abstraction layers” are future-proof solutions in loopy.
Widget or Library Page......
Hhhhmmm - well, I kind of need to see the widget state - e.g. if I have a button to mute the master for emergencies/ feedback type of situation then I would really want to see it on any page to know if it's on (the Master is muted) or not.
@Vmusic : the library approach will show the widget state.
The alias behavior you want isn’t present in the app. I understand how it would be useful, but loopy doesn’t have that feature. So you need to adapt to what is available.