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Roland V-Stage - they have "missed a trick" here...
No serious audio capability for iOS!
If using a PC via USB-C and the Roland drivers, you can not only send all four parts discretely to the PC DAW, but also the audio in and mic in ports as well! On iOS it's a basic 2 channel in/out which pretty much every keyboard with USB can achieve.
I really think Roland missed the boat in making this a killer hardware/iOS combo tbh. Even the flagship Fantom EX does not have any serious iOS connectivity.
They are directly pitching this to possible Nord buyers and adding this iOS functionality would further sway buyers imho. At this stage there is not even a hint of iOS anything apart from advice to users to stick with iOS 17x
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Well, at least it has class compliant USB audio, even if only stereo… The Fantom doesn’t even have that! 🙄
The whole thing with the big hardware guys ignoring the iPad is strange, pretty sure that now the iPad has DriverKit developers could make drivers to provide better hardware integration features and functionality - as they do for PCs and Macs… but they don’t bother…
Yeah, totally agree! The iOS market is getting rather larger these days.
Hey hey.
Being one of (in)famous Roland fanboys😎, I’ve nudged @MatthewAtZenbeats a couple of times regarding the missed opportunities here in general from Roland’s side, not making the connection to iOS better and more prioritized. All parties would creatively benefit from seamless connections, but it comes at a cost.
My own belief is that it boils down to corporate decisions, and costs of developing are related to possible revenue. The large chunk of revenue for most hardware and software developers in music comes from desktop. It’s just a fact, like it or not. Unless they only deal with development for iOS that is.
We all love our world of mobile music production (on both iOS and Android), and for years indie developers have come up with novel and useful apps, but often sadly not made enough money to make it a solid business. Since a couple of years now, major players have started to enter the scene. Only exception I can think of being Korg as an early adaptor.
But as companies, the majority of them are not solely driven by creativity. Individuals or teams can of course be an exception, but in the end they are restrained by what framework, means or resources they are given. Development is a time consuming and costly business, and in Roland’s case I believe it has to be a fine balance between sales of hardware and software. Entering the iOS market too much as the price model is today, if I was the CEO, I’d see a risk of having to lower prices for both hardware and software in the long run, thus losing possible revenue.
Class-compliancy (audio) is slowly coming from Roland’s side (the MC- and MV-series, SH-4d, Gaia 2, the new Juno-D and V -series to name some products), but I doubt due to the reasons I listed above, that we for the foreseeable future will see any deeper connections than that.
Roland’s main entry on iOS is Roland Zenbeats (and what an entry that is, I say it again folks, a hidden gem!!!), and I see it as a canvas. By allowing both analog (audio tracks) and digital (AUv3s) means of inputs it is open for basically anything to be added when creativity strikes. But for deeper Roland love than that, I think for now we will have to look at desktop and hardware, and just accept the level of connectivity there is for iOS.
Just my two cents on the topic.
/DMfan🇸🇪
Sorry but I disagree with pretty much all of that...Not sure it is, BUT it does seem you are posting as an apoplogist for Roland.
Roland KNOW how to integrate with iOS, they are choosing not to. All I am asking is that the same drivers that allow such wonderful integration with a PC also extend to an iOS device....all this is, is providing a driver interface, not create apps or anything with an onerous costs, merely a driver to allow iOS users to interact with their (rather expensive) hardware!
It seems like — given that Roland would know far more than any of us how much it costs to develop and support their products than we do and how much they earn — it is likely that they have determined that the money that it would cost to add better iOS support would earn them less revenue than spending that same money on something else.The fact that pretty much no audio hardware developer is providing iOS drivers probably tells us something about the cost/benefit analysis of people that know the actual numbers.
So ,sure Roland is making a choice — and it might be a choice informed by knowing more about what the costs and benefits are than we do.
Yamaha seem to be able to do it
And it's a DRIVER, not an app, not a virtual synth needing years of development, not more hardware....a driver!
And they may have decided that the money it would take to write and support the driver would be more profitably spent elsewhere.
None of us has access to the information we would need to determine if that is a reasonable judgment.
They have it with Zen Beats....anyhoo I'll not make further comments on this thread...when dealing with apologists one can never get them to perhaps consider an alternate argument.
This was exactly my point but you expressed it in a more elegant and polished way than I did. 🙏
Now, back to making music! You all have a nice and creative weekend!
/DMfan🇸🇪
While I agree that Roland is free to make whatever commercial choices it sees fit, it is interesting that Apple claims that MacOS drivers developed using DriverKit can be used on both MacOS and iPadOS (on M series processors). From reading their developer notes it seems trivial to enable existing DriverKit drivers to be used on both platforms.
Of course the fact that no hardware manufacturers are doing so mean they might not think it is a market worth pursuing, and perhaps their existing MacOS drivers are old code running under Rosetta which would require updating. Hopefully they might see the business opportunities in the future. I know I didn't buy a Fantom specifically because they don't support iPad...
My 2c about the subject: It has never been a good idea to buy any hardware that doesn't do what I want now, hoping for certain features to be added in the future.
If enough people wanted certain functionality, it would likely be available, especially in a high-priced instrument like the V-Stage. But it seems that stereo audio is good enough for most.
Well, at least this thread may help potential buyers find out if the V-Stage does what they want and either purchase it or not 😉