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Is there a host with audio/MIDI routing on par with AUM?

lasselulasselu
in General App Discussion

I rely heavily on the routing system in AUM (which we all know is fantastic) but I really miss automation. Yes, I know it can be done with various plugins but it’s always a bit of a kludge.

So, a hypothetical scenario of how I might work in AUM:

Particles routed to a synth
The same Particles routed to another synth via MIDIGates
The same Particles routed to ChaosARP and then to a third synth
The output from ChaosARP is also routed to another MIDIGates instance and then routed to the FIRST synth

All synth have some effects applied and before those they also may be routed via a bus to another channel with some other effects applied there.
All channels are routed to a master channel with mastering effects.

And so on…

Is there any DAW och host that can do this as easily as AUM?

Comments

  • egobeatsegobeats

    I am wondering what AUM automations Midimixer from 4pockets offers. I own helium and the midi toolkit includes AUM midi mixer and midi strummer. Currently looking for videos on midimixer to see if it can do anything like that. Will report back

  • egobeatsegobeats

    Watched Gav's video, doesn't look like that's possible via midimixer

  • bleepbleep

    All that routing can be done quite easily in Drambo, where you also have first class automation support.

    If you forget about all the modular building blocks available and just use Drambo as a host for AU plugins, it is not any more complicated than AUM. Sometimes you need to plan ahead a little since the signal flow should be from left to right and top to bottom, but there are also feedback paths if needed. For your suggested example I would just put the midi generators on track 1, then have synths on other tracks and connect their midi input to the desired parts on track 1.

  • JeezsJeezs

    @bleep said:
    All that routing can be done quite easily in Drambo, where you also have first class automation support.

    If you forget about all the modular building blocks available and just use Drambo as a host for AU plugins, it is not any more complicated than AUM. Sometimes you need to plan ahead a little since the signal flow should be from left to right and top to bottom, but there are also feedback paths if needed. For your suggested example I would just put the midi generators on track 1, then have synths on other tracks and connect their midi input to the desired parts on track 1.

    Aren’t you limited to 16 tracks with Drambo, and there’s no project chaining like in AUM?”

  • lasselulasselu

    @bleep said:
    All that routing can be done quite easily in Drambo, where you also have first class automation support.

    I do have Drambo but I'm lost to figure out how it works, I'm not a fan of watching instruction videos and the latest version of the manual doesn't seem very up to date...

    @bleep said:
    For your suggested example I would just put the midi generators on track 1, then have synths on other tracks and connect their midi input to the desired parts on track 1.

    Sounds interesting but I don't have a clue how to do the second part of that, i.e. the midi routing... :(

  • uncledaveuncledave

    @lasselu said:

    @bleep said:
    All that routing can be done quite easily in Drambo, where you also have first class automation support.

    I do have Drambo but I'm lost to figure out how it works, I'm not a fan of watching instruction videos and the latest version of the manual doesn't seem very up to date...

    @bleep said:
    For your suggested example I would just put the midi generators on track 1, then have synths on other tracks and connect their midi input to the desired parts on track 1.

    Sounds interesting but I don't have a clue how to do the second part of that, i.e. the midi routing... :(

    Start each synth track with a MIDI to CV, as usual. But connect its MIDI input (lil 5-pin icon) to the output of one of the MIDI generators. In Drambo, you can "wire" anything, MIDI, audio, CV, as long as signals flow left-right, and down. Much simpler than other apps, especially DAWs.

  • lasselulasselu

    Ok, I think I've figured out the MIDI routing now...can I route audio between tracks?

  • offbrandsoffbrands

    @Jeezs said:

    @bleep said:
    All that routing can be done quite easily in Drambo, where you also have first class automation support.

    If you forget about all the modular building blocks available and just use Drambo as a host for AU plugins, it is not any more complicated than AUM. Sometimes you need to plan ahead a little since the signal flow should be from left to right and top to bottom, but there are also feedback paths if needed. For your suggested example I would just put the midi generators on track 1, then have synths on other tracks and connect their midi input to the desired parts on track 1.

    Aren’t you limited to 16 tracks with Drambo, and there’s no project chaining like in AUM?”

    In regards to tracks I just tried to see and I got to 20 and if we count sends and master it’s 23. I’m sure I could add more but just wanted to point out there isn’t a 16 track limit

  • JeezsJeezs

    @offbrands said:

    @Jeezs said:

    @bleep said:
    All that routing can be done quite easily in Drambo, where you also have first class automation support.

    If you forget about all the modular building blocks available and just use Drambo as a host for AU plugins, it is not any more complicated than AUM. Sometimes you need to plan ahead a little since the signal flow should be from left to right and top to bottom, but there are also feedback paths if needed. For your suggested example I would just put the midi generators on track 1, then have synths on other tracks and connect their midi input to the desired parts on track 1.

    Aren’t you limited to 16 tracks with Drambo, and there’s no project chaining like in AUM?”

    In regards to tracks I just tried to see and I got to 20 and if we count sends and master it’s 23. I’m sure I could add more but just wanted to point out there isn’t a 16 track limit

    Cool. I will try Drambo again

  • wimwim
    edited June 20

    @lasselu said:
    Ok, I think I've figured out the MIDI routing now...can I route audio between tracks?

    Yes, but mainly only top-down. Tap the audio input node for whatever you want to receive the audio, then while it's flashing, navigate to the track and audio output that you want to connect and tap on it.

  • lasselulasselu

    @wim said:

    @lasselu said:
    Ok, I think I've figured out the MIDI routing now...can I route audio between tracks?

    Yes, but mainly only top-down. Tap the audio input node for whatever you want to receive the audio, then while it's flashing, navigate to the track and audio output that you want to connect and tap on it.

    Thank you...

  • CỗirácâyỗirpthuiCỗirácâyỗirpthui

    ApeMatrix can do this pretty handily I think, assuming I understand you correctly. The image illustrates most of what you want to do, and the output of the final stage can be sent to AUM or loopy or whatever. The strength of this app I think is in the routing capabilities, not to mention the integrated LFO‘s

  • CỗirácâyỗirpthuiCỗirácâyỗirpthui

    @Cỗirácâyỗirpthui said:
    ApeMatrix can do this pretty handily I think, assuming I understand you correctly. The image illustrates most of what you want to do, and the output of the final stage can be sent to AUM or loopy or whatever. The strength of this app I think is in the routing capabilities, not to mention the integrated LFO‘s.

  • Edward_AlexanderEdward_Alexander

    Came here to suggest Drambo. I see that’s already been covered, but yeah, anything you do in AUM, can be done in D plus a whole lot more.

  • lasselulasselu

    @Cỗirácâyỗirpthui said:
    ApeMatrix can do this pretty handily I think, assuming I understand you correctly. The image illustrates most of what you want to do, and the output of the final stage can be sent to AUM or loopy or whatever. The strength of this app I think is in the routing capabilities, not to mention the integrated LFO‘s

    Apematrix also lacks automation, right?

  • lasselulasselu

    @Edward_Alexander said:
    Came here to suggest Drambo. I see that’s already been covered, but yeah, anything you do in AUM, can be done in D plus a whole lot more.

    I'm slowly looking into Drambo so we'll see if I can feel at home there... :)

  • rs2000rs2000
    edited July 3

    @lasselu said:

    @Cỗirácâyỗirpthui said:
    ApeMatrix can do this pretty handily I think, assuming I understand you correctly. The image illustrates most of what you want to do, and the output of the final stage can be sent to AUM or loopy or whatever. The strength of this app I think is in the routing capabilities, not to mention the integrated LFO‘s

    Apematrix also lacks automation, right?

    Apematrix has no sequencer so yes, no automation in the classic sense. It has LFOs though that let you modulate some stuff, only in a different way.
    Apematrix also has a proper MIDI routing matrix like AUM.
    Drambo gives you a lot of freedom in MIDI routing too but some things are hidden from the user, like for example mapped MIDI messages from a hardware controller are automatically no more forwarded to your MIDI tracks anymore, to avoid confusion.

  • lasselulasselu

    I don't know...from what I've seen of Apematrix my gut tells me I wouldn't enjoy using it... :/

  • 0tolerance4silence0tolerance4silence

    IMO one major concern for a host app is the lack of updates, continued support - which I understand applies to Ape Matrix.
    Other than that, it all really depends on how you intend to use it - what suits your needs the best.

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @lasselu said:
    I rely heavily on the routing system in AUM (which we all know is fantastic) but I really miss automation. Yes, I know it can be done with various plugins but it’s always a bit of a kludge.

    So, a hypothetical scenario of how I might work in AUM:

    Particles routed to a synth
    The same Particles routed to another synth via MIDIGates
    The same Particles routed to ChaosARP and then to a third synth
    The output from ChaosARP is also routed to another MIDIGates instance and then routed to the FIRST synth

    All synth have some effects applied and before those they also may be routed via a bus to another channel with some other effects applied there.
    All channels are routed to a master channel with mastering effects.

    And so on…

    Is there any DAW och host that can do this as easily as AUM?

    You can do all that in Loopy Pro

  • CỗirácâyỗirpthuiCỗirácâyỗirpthui

    Apematrix was updated within the last week.

    I find it very fun to use, but I guess the unusual interface scares off the uninitiated. It shouldn’t. It makes perfect sense after a few minutes of use

    @0tolerance4silence said:
    IMO one major concern for a host app is the lack of updates, continued support - which I understand applies to Ape Matrix.
    Other than that, it all really depends on how you intend to use it - what suits your needs the best.

  • 0tolerance4silence0tolerance4silence

    @Cỗirácâyỗirpthui said:
    Apematrix was updated within the last week.

    I find it very fun to use, but I guess the unusual interface scares off the uninitiated. It shouldn’t. It makes perfect sense after a few minutes of use

    @0tolerance4silence said:
    IMO one major concern for a host app is the lack of updates, continued support - which I understand applies to Ape Matrix.
    Other than that, it all really depends on how you intend to use it - what suits your needs the best.

    Oh… that’s good to know, thanks for the correction :)

  • lasselulasselu

    @espiegel123 said:

    @lasselu said:
    I rely heavily on the routing system in AUM (which we all know is fantastic) but I really miss automation. Yes, I know it can be done with various plugins but it’s always a bit of a kludge.

    So, a hypothetical scenario of how I might work in AUM:

    Particles routed to a synth
    The same Particles routed to another synth via MIDIGates
    The same Particles routed to ChaosARP and then to a third synth
    The output from ChaosARP is also routed to another MIDIGates instance and then routed to the FIRST synth

    All synth have some effects applied and before those they also may be routed via a bus to another channel with some other effects applied there.
    All channels are routed to a master channel with mastering effects.

    And so on…

    Is there any DAW och host that can do this as easily as AUM?

    You can do all that in Loopy Pro

    I'm actually planning on checking it out when the new version is released...

  • MonkeyDrummerMonkeyDrummer

    @bleep said:
    All that routing can be done quite easily in Drambo, where you also have first class automation support.

    If you forget about all the modular building blocks available and just use Drambo as a host for AU plugins, it is not any more complicated than AUM. Sometimes you need to plan ahead a little since the signal flow should be from left to right and top to bottom, but there are also feedback paths if needed. For your suggested example I would just put the midi generators on track 1, then have synths on other tracks and connect their midi input to the desired parts on track 1.

    Audio routing in Drambo just kills me… you can’t do feedback loops like AUM I don’t think.

  • wimwim

    @MonkeyDrummer said:

    @bleep said:
    All that routing can be done quite easily in Drambo, where you also have first class automation support.

    If you forget about all the modular building blocks available and just use Drambo as a host for AU plugins, it is not any more complicated than AUM. Sometimes you need to plan ahead a little since the signal flow should be from left to right and top to bottom, but there are also feedback paths if needed. For your suggested example I would just put the midi generators on track 1, then have synths on other tracks and connect their midi input to the desired parts on track 1.

    Audio routing in Drambo just kills me… you can’t do feedback loops like AUM I don’t think.

    You can, with the Feedback Send/Receive module but there's a minimum 10ms delay involved.

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