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Freeze Overdub/layer?
Quite a few reverb plugins have freeze feature. Someone asked recently whether there is anything on iOS that lets you layer/overdub freezes … apparently there is a strymon pedal that lets you add freezes layers.
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Which pedal from Strymon? Just curious so I can look up the specs and such
Off the top of my head I can’t think of any, other than using multiple instances of an AUV3 to do so manually. But that can be quite CPU intensive.
Cascade has a freeze function, SploshBox does as well. I’m sure there’s more but those are the first two I can think of.
The pedal in question is Strymon BigSky. I think the mode is maybe called Infinite Sustain.
For this use-case, the person is really looking for a single plugin that can essentially overdub freeze layers.
Lots of reverbs can do a static freeze but none that I have seen allow you to add to a freeze.
Have them check out Cascade It has similar verbiage and I’m sure there’s a way to have a similar effect utilizing it.
Check the bottom info panel
‘ Infinite | Sets feedback to 100% for infinite reverb while still letting new signals in’
Do you have it? Someone said elsewhere that the freeze can be played over but not added to. Perhaps they were mistaken.
I do, I’ve never dug deep into it but this gave me an excuse to try it out.
Not entirely sure the effect they’re going for musically, but utilizing the feedback and diffusion stages in Cascade I layered 3 parts onto one another and initialized freeze then shut off the transport to highlight that there’s an infinite delay feedback loop playing.
Probably not what they want, but pretty cool nonetheless, shit demo but was just doing this quick
Okay I’m fairly certain ‘infinite’ is essentially a freeze that accepts new signals where as freeze doesn’t.
From the manual
Also their video on YouTube shows a lot of functionality that’s capable with a single instance, but even just a couple. Not sure what their approach entails though.
Gav has a video too as does Jakob and STR
Once you have that freeze, can you layer another freeze on top of it, and then again, etc
That’s what I’m saying the Infinite does. It’s essentially the same thing, just a different name.
Any chance you could do a short demo of infinite layering one note at a time to build a frozen 3 note chord than play something over that?
Sure. For clarity, play each note once and then the chord those notes make together?
Or by build do you mean sustain each note until I’m holding down the chord?
And by play something over that what would you prefer? A different synth or instrument
What the person who asked about this wants to do is freeze a note he plays on violin then add another frozen note and so on until he has built up a chord over which he can solo over
SpolshBox might be better suited for that task, paging @Rob_Jackson_Music maybe they can speak for their app better.
Fairly certain in this demo I show it’s achieving what’s been asked, though I would think the same of Cascade.
Here is a short demo, as best as I understand.
From what I can tell, enabling and disabling Freeze keeps the frozen tail in place, assuming the decay time hasn’t been passed, allowing for notes to be stacked. That’s what I hear but I’m not sure it’s good enough for their desires.
I checked out that BigSky pedal and that’s quite the effect with multiple algorithms. I’ve been down this road before a few times with people wanting to emulate something hyper specific, that doesn’t particularly bother me as it gives me a chance to learn and try some stuff out, just stating that solutions rarely often fulfill the requirements, no matter how dead on they actually are.
Hope this helps or they find one of these solutions viable 🙏🏽🤘🏽
@offbrands : thanks for the examples!
Nice demo @offbrands and your descirption is spot on, i.e. it basically doesn't apply decay to whatever is in the delay line buffers when freeze is on.
For a nice ambient effect, I'd usually run a delay or another reverb after SploshBox when using freeze mode as when freeze is on, you only get the dry signal.
I am the one who is looking to layer multiple notes on my cello and freeze them.
Using the tail freeze function and then playing new notes to freeze again isn’t ideal, because the previously recorded frozen notes fade as I add new ones.
I found a solution with Cascade:
Record the chords with the infinite loop (♾️), then “print” them with the freeze function (❄️). Then stop Infinite.
So I can play on top, add notes if I want, or make a new Pad later on.😎
Here a quick demo.
The 2nd channel of the reveb when using the Freeze function is not set properly but it can give you an idea.
I figures one of these solutions would sort it out. Happy to hear you found a solution. 🤘🏽
Don’t sleep on SploshBox though, it’s really well done and astonishingly simple in getting some ethereal vibes going. I really like @Rob_Jackson_Music idea with using it as an effect to use before another delay or reverb.
OT - @Rob_Jackson_Music - Recently picked up ANALOGyGR - What a treat. Very well done, don’t want to go on too much but I throughly enjoy the heck out of this and SploshBox. Cheers 🙏🏽