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AUM Audio => Groove Rider 2…What am I missing?
Or alternatively, Audio Interface => GR-2
After doing a ton of research looking for a groove box type app that supported both AUV3 plugins and would allow external instrument input, I plunked down the $35 for Groove Rider 2. It appeared to check all the boxes, though I couldn’t find any tutorials that actually demonstrated getting external audio recorded into a GR-2 sample, so I’m clearly at fault here if I read too much into its capabilities.
I can’t find anything definitive that this is possible, but no matter what I do, in trying to select an audio source in GR-2 it doesn’t see anything other than GR-2’s own outputs or the iPad’s microphones. It doesn’t see any IAA sources nor does it see my audio interface (Scarlett 2i4) when it’s connected to the iPad. I’ve tried specifying IAA/AB output for an AUM channel, but it shows “none connected” and the specified port still isn’t seen by GR-2.
So, can this be done or did I just waste some more money? 
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You would need something like the loopback feature of kq voice plugin (https://apps.apple.com/ch/app/kq-voice-plugins/id6450491216?l=fr-FR)
So this post peaked my curiosity and needed to know more about this too.
I got GR2 to see my audio interface, and I was able to select it and hear sound through it for monitoring, but I couldn’t figure out anyway or adding live vocals into the sampler. Maybe I’m over thinking it? Or missed a setting.
I’ll check the manual when I have a few if no one else figures this out.
Here’s the screenshot showing I got the audio interface to be seen
EDIT.
On the sampler I found the audio in options but neither the audio for my iPad mic seems to pick up from much at all and the audio interface doesn’t at all. You can select audio In but it doesn’t work.
I’ll try and find Jim’s contact and reach out. Seems to be some kind of bug.
So I tried to access the interface again. It showed up exactly as your screenshot shows.
The only thing I did different was connecting AUM to the interface first, which is probably coincidental. Unfortunately it connects to both inputs; no way to connect to the R or L alone (My instrument is “stereo” w/separate voices R/L). Anyway, it sounds like I followed the same steps you did, but it worked – I plugged into the interface, I added a sampler to a part, then tapped on the sampler’s Edit button. This produced a blank “file.” I make sure the “In:” selector below the Record button shows “In: Audio In” (first item in the popup list.) I hit “Record” and play a couple of arpeggios and press “Record” to stop. I can then trim, normalize, save, and slice the result.
But I’d still like to do this via AUM. AUM has been my “pedal board” for 2-3 years, and I’d rather not have to try to duplicate the rig I’ve built!
But I’m pleased to get it to see my interface. Much better than nothing.
Thanks! Have you gotten this to work, or know anyone who has? I just watched Jade Starr spend 40 minutes trying unsuccessfully to use KW Voice loopback to get output from AUM into Logic!
To be fair, he had gotten it to work while prepping for the livestream, so it’s clearly possible!
I’ll try again and switch some hubs and wires around, but I couldn’t get this to work for me on a couple attempts with any of the onboard iPad mics as well.
I’ll also try a different mic.
Yes it works ok for me. I don't have Logic but I can play something in AUM, send the output in GR2 via Loopback and record it in the internal Sampler. I am facing however some glitches from time to time. Don't know if it is because of my iPad that is old now (2017)
Hmm I’m gonna mess with this now and see what’s possible. We all mean KQVoicePlugins right? For looping back?
I still think the initial behavior expected is that you’d select your audio interface in the General Settings, then any Part create a Sample Layer, then click edit, then in the Audio In portion you would select the audio interface. That’s how it sounds like it should work to me, no need for KQ / Loopback.
Unless I’m mistaken somehow. Haqs video was long and I can’t remember if there was any vocals recorded in it through it. I know there’s a few other videos out there so maybe I’ve missed it elsewhere.
I’m going to try using an apple camera adapter as well and even uninstall and reinstall just to make sure. Unfortunately I’ve already sent the email so if I’m wrong and it works, my bad and just my own existential embarrassment to deal with 😅😎
Alright, I got KQ Loopback to work fairly well, from AUM into GRII.
The naming convention is odd to some, worth mentioning that to go from AUM into GRII, it needs to be
I had to adjust the latency offset in GR II's hosted Loopback 1 Out, and the 'stability' setting in order to get it to not crackle.
To be clear it wasn't a crackle from CPU usage, just some strange glitchy artifacts.
As for Grooverider II, I think i'm confused about the Sampler so I need to spend some time on it, I got audio into GRII's sampler from my audio interface one time, and sounded really clean, like idk why but it sounded just crisp, but then I couldn't find a way to replicate. The only way it worked to record was WITH a camera adapter, USB-C didn't seem to matter on my end which usually bypasses that need.
Another thing, my Audio Interface has multiple outs, like 10, I could see them all on several apps, AUM, Ferrite, Drambo, but when the audio interface was recognized inside of GRII, it only showed the interface, no selection of channels.
Off to bed, will test more in the AM if nothing else comes up.
Side note, recording vocals is a blast. Had Bleass Voices into Gauss, Humanoid into a separate Gauss, and Bleass Vox into a 3rd Gauss all going into a mix bus - Just to test and ended up having a lot of fun and have some ideas I'm going to poke around at.
if all else fails in this endeavor for a time, I at least found some really cool inspo so thank you for this thread! @SteveS @cuscolima
@offbrand – So KQ voice loopback “in” is placed into the AUM signal chain as an effect, correct?
Where are you placing the KQ Voice loopback “out” in GR2?
FWIW, I was really puzzled when Jade placed the “out” in logic as a MIDI insert, when I would have expected it to be an audio track…
Apologies! yes the AUM signal is an effect that’s processing whatever you send IN it.
Then to get sound OUT of AUM but into GR2 it can be placed as an auv3 instrument layer.
KQ Voice can send midi between apps as well! So maybe that was their confusion 🤷🏻♂️
OUTSTANDING!
This works perfectly. I note that AUM syncs the tempo to GR2, so that’s something to be aware of. Wouldn’t have noticed this playing my instrument through AUM, but I tested this with a composition I’m working on in AUM, and couldn’t at first figure out why the tempo was cranked up to 120bpm. Noticed no latency at all. I can toggle the mute on the plugin in AUM and let them play simultaneously and it’s unnoticeable; I had to up the volume on the AUM output otherwise I couldn’t tell I was hearing both outputs.
Sampling is no problem either. I added a second, sampler layer to the part (Part 1) to which I added KQ Voice loopback, and specified “Part 1” as the audio source. Voilá. However I see no reason that you’d have to do it this way. You could just as easily add the sampler to some other part and point to the audio from the part with the loopback AU for the input when recording.
Thanks so much for sharing this solution!
EDIT: The tempo sync was due to the Ableton link, had nothing to do with the loopback!
I did a vid on using kq loopback to stream audio from logic to AUM. I've never used it since, as I stopped subbing to logic shortly after and never had another use for it. I think I vaguely remember that this doesn't work in the opposite direction (AUM to Logic) but I really am not sure. The vid is here anyway:
I > @SteveS said:
Cheers!
Still can’t reliably get audio from GR2 audio in solution to the sampler. Just the one time with the camera dongle adapter thing.
Either way that’s dope! Happy it’s a solution that works for you.
Super helpful!
If you’re having trouble getting the interface recognized, this is a solid solution. Only downside is it sucks up 15w of power, so if you want to keep everything powered up (iPad, MIDI controller, audio interface) you need to be running at least a 65w power supply. The camera dongle is hard to find and expensive, and I’m not sure they make them for iPads w/USB-c ports.
I did see that Gavinski Tutorial.
I don’t believe the hub sucks up 15w of power. It uses a tiny amount.
What gives you the impression that it uses 15w? I used to believe something like that till it was explained to that the hubs are set up to guarantee that if you have a 100watt power supply connected, there are 15 watts available for the non-PD ports even if the PD port is attached to something sucking up 85 watts.
I have a similar one to this one, same brand Anker. The interface is being recognized by every app and all of its channels listing, except GR2, where it only shows the brand name and none of the channels. I’m able to record fine on all of them.
The solution you were aiming for to use AUM and loopback into GR2 works well for your use case which is great!
I just think there might be a bug of some kind, or I’m fundamentally misunderstanding how to record audio in GR2.
I got it to work once, and haven’t tried again, but I will now and see if I can get it more reliably.
But thank you for trying to figure out a solve. Appreciate it!
EDIT - Able to get iPad mics to record into the sampler so things are looking up!
EDIT 2 - Used a different Mic and the same situation. Gain is up, but not getting any usable audio from the audio in option in GR2
I had to completely uninstall the app and reinstall in order to get the iPad microphones or external mics to work properly.
I got that from Anker. I was using a 30w power supply and couldn’t get it to keep the iPad charged. Contacted Anker support and they quoted the 15w figure. If you look at the listing for that hub, one of the illustrations shows a 100w power supply connected through that hub to a laptop, and indicates only 85w going to the laptop. This is all way outside my wheelhouse so I may still be misunderstanding things, but switching to a 100w power supply on my desk, or a 65w for mobile use solved my charging problem.
And yeah, I’m seeing the same thing – the name of the interface but no ports. Doesn’t seem right as everything else I’ve used sees and allows connections to all of the ports in & out on the interface.
Yeah I would prefer if the app would let us pick channels but I’m sure it’s on a list of things to do. It would be really helpful for splitting audio into parts.
I wonder if maybe microphone permissions were off in iOS settings before the re-install. The re-install would have then prompted to grant permissions and fixed that problem if it was the case.
[edit] nvm. Answered in another thread.
I believe that what that illustration tells us is that the maximum power sent to the PD port is 85 watts even if a 100 watt power supply is connected. It isn’t eating up 15 watts. It is ensuring that there are 15 watts available for the hub’s other ports.
I believed the same as you till an engineer explained that these hubs use very little power.
That certainly makes sense. All I know is that I couldn’t run everything (iPad, interface, and MIDI controller) with a 30w charger, and Anker claimed the hub consumed 15w. That really surprised the hell out of me, as that’s a lot of power for a fairly simple device. But I have observed that the hub gets surprisingly warm in use, if that means anything.
Look what Jim added in the latest update
not sure if anyone is interested in this as OP's original usecase was solved but that little detour about the audio channels selection being available is pretty cool to see so quickly. @SteveS
Works like a charm 🤘🏽
Excellent!!