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@jwmmakerofmusic since you like audio and visuals, you’re in for a treat when the next drambo version lands (no idea on the ETA but it’s looking quite ready)
Nice! Thanks for the heads up!
@jwmmakerofmusic
Doing ok. Life is crazy sometimes but like most folks I keep finding a way to keep moving forward.
I've found a few communities for AI video creators and I feel like I'm learning and growing. I'm learning all about traditional film making in order to improve. Everything from color grading and types of shots to storytelling and creative editing.
I'm sure my self education is not on the same level as going to a University, but there's a surprising amount of information on YouTube so I feel like I'm definitely making progress.
My son has found a renewed interest in playing guitar and I'm really proud of his progress. My wife is recovering from a corrective surgery to her previous knee replacement but is doing ok. My dog is still a goof ball that is absolutely spoiled rotten.
How's life treating you?
All sounds good, mate.
Glad to hear you're learning your craft and bettering it. Always good when we get up in age to learn new things and keep our minds sharp.
Well, aside from the aforementioned gripes with AI mentioned above, life is great! Got me a new girlfriend (hint - she sang on "Personal Stripper"), working on new music, and tinkering a little with digital "watercolour" illustrations in HiPaint on my S25 Ultra phone. Also playing at my residency gig twice weekly at the restaurant I've played at for over 9 years, with the best bosses (hubby and wife team) and best coworkers.
So many blessings to be thankful for. 🙏 It's humbling.
Yah it is a shame that to most people the term now just means 'hasn't gone pro/not good enough'. I don't bother mentioning to co-workers anymore (especially HR, ugh) that I make music. They all instantly, without even questioning, assume that it is a professional pursuit and a distracting side hustle, taking away from your commitment to the company/project etc. Sigh, lame status dominance horny society. Not everything is American fucking Idol. Some people want to make love, not become porn stars or hookers. But yah at one time even royalty and independently wealthy people would have amateur pursuits and it had a very different connotation.
Congratulations on the new girlfriend 😁. Lena and I have been together almost 20 years. I can't imagine what the dating game is like these days. Hope you bring each other much happiness!
Sounds like you've got quite a few avenues for your creativity and like many of the creative people I know, you have multiple talents and ways to express yourself.
It really is a blessing to find a place where people appreciate your work. I'm grateful this forum has been one of those places for you and the other friends I've made here. Just being able to talk with other people who understand the desire to make something really is special.
Best of luck in all your endeavors.
We sure do. ❤️ She's the Bonnie to my Clyde, lol. She gets me, unlike any other woman I've dated in the past. And instead of pursuing her, we were friends for 3 years already. Then we realised we have feelings for one another, and now she's my girl friday. ❤️
Exactly mate. When I burn out with one avenue for a while, I have the other to help keep me active and creative.
I agree 100%! This forum is great, and my residency is great.
Can't ask for better imho.
You too, my friend, thank you.
Nothing to write home about but it does raise the possibility that a user you learn to request a Moziac
script and not need to learn anything about Mozaic coding.
I gave Claude another piano roll sample that was extremely cluttered and it didn’t produce code that
plays every note so I’m still learning how to prompt Claude to get what I intended.
I did an experiment asking Claude to create a Mozaic script to control an M-Wave PAD controller. I uploaded
the user manual and Claude detected that this hardware manual does NOT document the default MIDI notes
each PAD generates because you need to download an App to see the defaults and optional override the Notes
output.
I’m going to test making an app for a LaunchPad XL next.
An interesting creative use of ai tools. How can we not use this amazing new toolbox? I'm finding some really helpful uses of it as well almost daily.
But… on the negative side, I agree with what everyone has pointed out here and in particular the vast amount of non-creative, sludgy dreck that's so easy to spit out, will probably overwhelm us and make finding any true and beautiful sparks all that harder. Good luck human race!
I've liked trying both of those. Virtual ANS can be especially fun if you give it some practice but it only recognizes grayscale not colors.
Another app, Pixel Music, is under appreciated I think. Not auv3 unfortunately. https://apps.apple.com/us/app/pixel-music/id1383899232
Yeah, I have more fun using its drawing tools to create sounds than in feeding it images. Maybe @jwmmakerofmusic will get inspired to create a few paintings / soundscapes with it.
Definitely! I still need to fit Fugue Machine Rubato in an Ambient piece in Cubasis 3. Been a month since I bought it, and still have yet to learn that one. 😄 Just been busy producing other genres, but want to return to Ambient someday.
My mistake - it IS auv3! I guess I haven’t used it for a while 🤦🏼♂️
Pre social media / algo everything was word of mouth or just sharing links manually. This will still happen and be useful in the future sea of samey same.
I agree. And let me be clear. I do not disagree with the negative sentiments expressed here about AI. What I'm trying to say is that what we are facing is inevitable. Let's just use it creatively in ways that no one has thought of yet. The ideas are in us musicians. AI is a new set of tools that are best not to be ignored in my opinion.
In case you haven't seen it, here's an example of what Jordan Rudess, creator of our beloved GeoShred is doing with AI. It's a great interview in general. He talks about the history of GeoShred. He then goes into how he's using AI now (about 17 mins in).
I absolutely hate "write a sentence or 2 and create a full song" AI like Suno and Udio. That is what will kill jobs. I am purely interested in the creative possibilities with AI, and I tried to provide an example in my original post here.
(EDIT: I had to add this) If we don't own it, it will own us.
Cheers!
Yah I call that 'prompt and ghost' which is 99% of the average persons exposure to generative Ai. If you look at image generation and how ControlNet works it is a robust toolset where artists can legit express themselves with intention in powerful and elaborate ways; this is something I would LOVE for Music/Audio AI (although part of me wishes all this gen AI stuff never happened). But anyway, music is nowhere close. Development of music models and tools in the AI space is waaaaaaaay more difficult than in the image / video / or 3D spaces. Largely because of...
Audio is high-dimensional and time-dependent. A 3-minute WAV file at 44.1 kHz stereo has ~16 million data points. This dwarfs the pixel count of images or even video frames.
Music isn't just audio — it's structure, tone, rhythm, harmony, and emotion. These elements are hard to tokenize or compress into discrete representations the way you can with pixels or polygons.
🧠 2. Lack of Descriptive Labels / Training Data
Images and text can be paired easily (e.g. captions on Flickr or alt text). Audio lacks this kind of descriptive metadata.
Musical meaning is culturally and contextually loaded. Even tagging "happy jazz" or "melancholy piano" is subjective and inconsistent.
Few large-scale public datasets exist with high-quality annotations for musical structure, genre, emotion, etc.
🎧 3. Text-to-Music is Harder than Text-to-Image
Text prompts like "a cat riding a skateboard" work for images because visual composition has a straightforward mapping. But music doesn’t “depict” things — asking for “a moody cyberpunk melody with anxious undertones” relies heavily on abstract interpretation.
Latent diffusion works better for images because of spatial coherence. Music is less spatial, more temporal and layered.
📉 4. Less Commercial Incentive (Historically)
Big tech invested heavily in images/video for search, ads, AR/VR, etc.
Music generation hasn’t had the same immediate commercial utility, beyond background audio or loops. This is changing, but slowly.
Also, music industry legal pressure (RIAA) has been much more aggressive, which chills open audio datasets and research.
🤐 5. Harder to Evaluate
In images, you can visually check for correctness or coherence.
For music, evaluation is subjective — what sounds “good” to one person may not to another.
That makes it harder to benchmark and improve models.
📈 BUT: It’s Catching Up
Open-source projects like:
MusicGen (Meta)
AudioCraft (Meta)
Riffusion (text-to-spectrograms)
DDSP (Differentiable DSP from Google)
Harmonai (Stability AI’s music branch)
… are pushing things forward. Still, they lag behind Stable Diffusion, Sora, or even open-source 3D tools due to the above challenges.
(This is from a talk/powerpoint I did a little while ago made with the help of LLMs)
Very insightful @AudioGus.
How many of you remember Jean Shepherd? Here he talks about what author’s did in the 19th century.
Also, his vision of the future.
Some great points there, thnx
Watch it all be rendered bunk any day now too
hehe
I’m thinking of rendering some MIDI from the skid marks in my tighty whiteys just to see if I can prove my father wrong one last time.
He would always respond to art with “If I took a shit on the stage, is that art?” implying that the current work under discussion was equivalent to a good shit… I always envisioned he’d produce a nice stool but he generally flushed and was a rather private man making it hard to evaluate the artistic merits of his productions.
Anyway, I’d like to see if skid marks can generate something he might have been willing to take the stage against. Odds are good. He did shock me one Christmas when my sister got “Rubber Soul” (often praised as the best Beatles album, YMMV).
I think it was right after Eleanor Rigby when he said “Those young punks actually have some talent.” Shaking his head and later learning about (Sir) George Martin as the 5th Beatle. They went on to produce dozens of “stage worthy” art.
If anyone wants to run with this idea I would not be offended. Let the notes flow! Release the “Large Music Models” and produced statistically significant “bodies of work”.
This just hit me: the metaphor of an infinite number of monkeys typing out the works if Shakespeare. When it coms to music: WE ARE THOSE MONKEYS STUMBLING ONTO IMPORTANT MUSIC SEQUENCES.
Thanks McD. This post reminds me of the good old days. You actually got a laugh out of me 🤣
Thanks… this is a tough room for comedy. The risk in this rant is the potential to infer I don’t respect the @jwmmakerofmusic art or the result musical effort. But when I see this low hanging fruit I go for it and slip on the banana peal.
Being inspired by @reezygle and after bringing up Pixel Music I thought I might try it out using the same original painting by @jwmmakerofmusic
Pixel Music lets you import an image. It changes the aspect ratio and converts it to large pixels. You have tools to choose how the colors are interpreted. I used two out of it's 5 layers and used the same painting in both for two different synths. See what you think:
Oh yes. This is vintage Audiobus forum vibe. I miss that. Thank you.
Hell yah!
@McD do you have pictures? 🤣
Yes but no art… most of the pictures are NSFW. Use this and we can call the composer Edvard Munch:
The Drawing Trump did NOT make
THE DRAWING TRUMP DOESN’T WANT YOU TO SEE (probably a fake)