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INIT

edited November 2014 in General App Discussion

This one is for the programmers...

I learn a synth much better, and develop a more personal attachment to it, by being forced to work from scratch. Presets are great for getting you started, but personally I want to make my own sounds and never go deep enough when I have to tweak a preset to get going.

What iOS synths have you found come with a built in INIT option, or what synths have you found/created an INIT patch for? I've been feeling guilty about not putting in much time with iProphet since I got it, and was determined to make some fresh patches last night, but with such a complex synth it is more work trying to set everything to zero vs. starting with a blank slate. I'd much rather start with nothing and build from there.

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  • edited November 2014

    I agree: INT is an absolute must for every serious synth. All synth i use have it. Some have just templates which is not enough. Sometimes i love to tweak patches but for sound design an INT patch to start from scratch is important. For me it's a simple MUST feature!
    But sometimes you can also learn a lot from patches. I myself learned a lot from iOS synth when i recreated patches from them with my big toys.

  • I am also a big fan of INIT patches. Most synths I use have one. For synths that don't have one, it isn't hard to make your own. I always make/save a backup one because I often accidentally save over the INIT patch.

  • Just a very quick look at a handful...

    • SUNRIZER (utils > init)

    • MAGELLAN (red init button)

    • iSEM (templates > template > init voice 1-5)

    • THOR ( templates > simple analog(reset) )

    • KORG iPOLYSIX (new song or synth init preset)

    • ADDICTIVE SYNTH (others > 01 init )

  • edited November 2014

    I would add All Virsyn synths, Mitosynth to this list. But what i really miss a lot is modulation for FX. For me it's also an important feature to bring life into a patch. Static FX are boring. I wonder why no iOS synth let me modulate the FX (beside Thor and Z3TA but too limited). It's possible trough midi learn with an additional app or using FXed samples but that is not enough too. I feel a bit too limited for sound design on iOS without having to use lots of apps together. And then i love multi timbral synths. Also rare on iOS.

  • Agree, INIT is 100% necessary.

  • edited November 2014

    Gadget has "Init" for some of their machines (Berlin, Chicago...).

    Animoog.

    Nave (Init button on the top right).

    You can start from the scratch with Nlog Pro (User banks, default patch).

    Cassini (Init)

    iMS20. Presets/Synth templates/Init

    Arctic Keys

    Argon

    Spacelab: Preset/Default

    NanoStudio Eden: < Empty >

    And of course, Galileo.

  • offtopic but i think every synth app should have a randomizer button akin to Sunrizer (but not as hidden)

    happy accidents aplenty :)

  • edited November 2014

    Meh, ist not to hard to come up with an init yourself if there isn't one
    choose sawtooth, open filter, no reso, no modulation, amp envelope a-0 d-0 s-100 r-0, no fx,
    save as init, done.

  • what lala said, if it's not there, I'll make one. I agree that Init patches are important. Laplace and Phauwo have init patches (didn't see them mentioned)

  • edited November 2014

    I agree again, of course it is easy to do it manuall. But i really miss that a lot iOS developers forget about sound design tools. It's still feels more a "players" ground which is great too, but......
    yeah i know i'm never satisfied ;)

  • It's not always hard to do but it would nice if every synth shipped with an INIT preset.

  • Initialize is good, to me randomize is even better.

  • edited November 2014

    @lala - probably enough for Epic Synth, but if you are starting from a mature patch that came with the synth, most of the interesting synths have dozens more parameters, and you have to touch all of them to make sure they're off. And sometimes some of them being Off mean no sound too.

    Warman's Law: That which can be configured must be cnfigured

  • @dwarman, you were one of the 18 people on earth who actually knew how to program their VCRs, weren't you?

  • @syrupcore, I have ADHD. Can''t stand blinking 12:00 so I had to do something about it.

  • Well, I figured out the clock but I bet you recorded Cheers and Mash reruns and Hill Street Blues like a champ.

  • @dwarman said:

    @lala - probably enough for Epic Synth, but if you are starting from a mature patch that came with the synth, most of the interesting synths have dozens more parameters, and you have to touch all of them to make sure they're off. And sometimes some of them being Off mean no sound too.

    Warman's Law: That which can be configured must be cnfigured

    Exactly this. Give me just enough of a basic tone to build my own, but no more. For some synths it isn't a big deal to create an INIT patch as a template, but after trying to build my own with iProphet I was stymied. Once you start resetting the waveforms and clearing out the mod matrix, it is an exercise in futility. Maybe I'm just lazy, but an INIT patch or button that forces me to build from nothing makes me really learn a synth. My Elektron hardware kind of spoils me in this regard, as the first thing I do is clear out the few presets and make my sounds from scratch, but if I start from a preset I'll only end up with a variation of the original sound. You can make a cake from a mix as well, but it never tastes as good as homemade, and you'll never be a baker.

    Randomize functions are also useful for getting an idea going (you've got flour, butter, and chocolate chips) but I don't necessarily want jalapeños in my cookies.

  • edited November 2014

    I dont understand,

    so you don't learn the architecture of things by creating your own initsound sound?
    u need to press the init preset? ;)
    it's not a function that is missing so maybe if u can't come up with an init yourself doing sounds isn't for you.
    At the end it's just another sound ...

  • No, I can and do create my own sounds from scratch.
    But if we were talking about painting, would you prefer to start with a blank canvas, or to try to create your own art by first painting over an existing canvas to then create something original?

    Personally, I'd like to get a blank canvas. In fact, if my only option is to paint over an existing work, I'd rather look for a better canvas.

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