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Good App for acustic guitar?
Hi all!
Im conecting my acoustic guitar (fender am acustasonic) with the piezo fishman to the interface to loopy pro and using acustic amp of tone stack pro but i really dont like the sound.. For Electric guitar TSP is great but not for acustic in my opinión.
Any apps recomendation for process the acustic guitar?
Thanks!!
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Nembrini Acoustic Voice::
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/acoustic-voice-preamp/id1573403690
Gain Stage Acoustic:
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/gain-stage-acoustic/id1567355339
Overloud TH-U has some acoustic rigs:
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/overloud-thu/id1478394489
I recommend the Blue Mangoo Gain Stage Acoustic. No complaints.
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/gain-stage-acoustic/id1567355339
That,s great!
My idea i ti buy the best sound app for the acustic guitar.
Which one you recomend me for best sound and loopy pro midi integraron (to control with midi pedal morning star)?
I did some tests with the Nembrini when it came out. Sounded pretty good.
Take a listen here and here.
I think it is a matter of taste but I know for sure (tested) Nembrini has the option to do midi control. The others should too, but I have done the physical testing of the Nembrini.
You probably don't like the ToneStack one is it's designed to simulate an acoustic from an electric guitar input. Avoid "acoustic simulators" and look for apps that try to enhance the tone of piezo pickups on an acoustic guitar.
It can also be useful to have a wet/dry control to blend in the modeled sound rather than fully alter the guitar input. If you don't have a wet dry control on the app you choose, then you can put it on a bus with a pre-fader send. Then lower the faders to 50% and work on the balance from there. Keep in mind that the signal is doubled, so you need to keep the faders lower than you normally would.
Ok! Done!
Is there any way to rename the buses? I can only achieve to leave at A or B or C but not give name and color as the loops and audio chanells.
Long-press the letter at the top of the channel, then select Rename. The new name will appear at the bottom of the channel.
No harm in trying Primo... it's free. For now!
https://apps.apple.com/ca/app/primo-for-ipad/id6475413879
I've got some really good guitar soundfonts. I linked them in the guitar thread. I often use them in FontStack, and use the strumming from either midi step or @cem_olcay 's harmonicc or Rhythm Bud to FontStack.
Here is the best ones zipped up (.sf2)
https://tinyurl.com/Sf2guitar
Besides what’s been mentioned, Maybe something that loads some Impulse Responses. Theres a bunch of free and paid ones available all over the web, and several apps that do IR’s. I haven’t tested this but it might be worth considering.
Using impulse responses is the best way IMO. You need a reverb that can load them, I use IMPULSation, and some nice IRs of real acoustic guitars.
I use a pack from Worship Tutorials that has a Taylor 816, but I don't think it's available anymore, however this Taylor 414 is currently free:
https://worshiptutorials.com/product/tlr-414-acoustic-ir-pack/
In this recording my guitar was plugged into the interface via the Piezo pickup, but the IR loaded into AUM made it sound like a microphone recording of an acoustic guitar:
Very intersting.. Sounds great!!
But how you do it in loopy pro? Is there any tutorial how to create impulse responses with the acustic guitar into loopy pro?
First you need an IR loader app. I like the Nembrini IR Loader, but there are other choices such as the free Thafknar app. You will load this as an FX in Loopy Pro.
Then you need to get the files onto your iPad. If your computer is a Mac, you can airdrop from there to your iPad. If not, then it's probably easiest to download it directly on your iPad through Safari, as you did on the computer. Either way, the zip file should end up in your
iCloud Drive > Downloadsfolder. Navigate there using the files app and tap on the file to unzip it to a folder.Then you just need to import the file you want into the IR loader. Check the document that came in the download for details, or maybe @richardyot can provide some guidance. In general it's best to check Loopy Pro System Settings to see the sample rate used, and then match that to the sample rate of the IR file. Details of how to import depend on the IR loader you choose.
THAFKNAR requires an inexpensive IAP to be used as an AUv3 IR loader.
Hi, I already purchased the Nembrini IR Loader app and downloaded the Worshiptutorials 414 Acoustic Pack files to my Mac. Just as you told me, I AirDropped them to my iPad and unzipped them. Then, in the Nembrini IR Loader, there are different Factory preset options. I guess this isn't important. What I need to do is go to Load in the power amplifier, choose the folder, and load one of the WAV files from the 414 Acoustic Pack (in my case, 48 kHz, which is what my Loopy Pro project is like).
Then, there are some controls to the right of Load, which I assume will be a wet/dry option and a compressor at the bottom to adjust the sound.
Is that all there is to it? Does a single loaded WAV do everything?
Any advice on this?
You will most likely be using impulse responses created by someone else rather than creating them yourself. Creating a good IR is not trivial.
Tap Load. That will bring up a window with a file picker. Use the left-hand bar to navigate to
iCloud Drive > Downloads >IR-006-TLR-414-Acoustic-IR-Pack-v1_0 > Impulse Responses (WAV)` and continue down the tree until you get to the IR WAV file you want to load. (See my post above)Tap the one you want, and it will become the current IR. You will probably want to experiment with various IRs until you find the one you like best.
Once you have an IR loaded, the other controls are extra. You don't have to use them, but some can improve the sound. You'll have to experiment.
One WAV file does everything, but each WAV file will sound slightly different. It will probably be helpful to look at the document that came with the download to help see which might be best for your guitar. However, do check the sample rate settings in Loopy Pro and use one from the folder that matches Loopy's sample rate for best results.
It's a good idea to save presets as you go to make it easier to get to different sounds until you find your favorites.
What does an impulse response of an acoustic guitar even mean? For an IR of an amp, some notes get played by a guitar into the amp, or maybe some other sounds like frequency sweeps, then the amp is recorded and the IR made by software.
Saying an IR of an acoustic guitar to me sounds like saying an IR of a human voice... I don't understand it.
I think of acoustic guitar recording (UNLESS you are wanting some different unnatural sound) is like recording a singer. You capture the natural sound, preferably with a microphone, then it might need some EQ, compression, reverb etc. But not 'amplification', like an electric guitar amp, which does a lot to mangle the sound in pleasing ways, for the electric guitar sound. But not for voice, and not for acoustic instruments in general. I understand that piezo pickups may need something special to make them less quacky and warmer, but I don't think it's an amp.
But I still can't get my head around what an IR of an acoustic guitar is? is it just an IR of the resonance of the body?
The IR is used to impart the characteristics of the guitar's sound through convolution. It makes perfect sense in this context. If you think of a guitar body as something that contributes short reverberation, echos, and resonances to the sound of a string vibrating, the IR is meant to capture that character so that it can be mathematically applied to the input sound through convolution. That's a big oversimplification, but hopefully it makes sense.
IR's aren't used only for amps. They're also used for cabinet simulations, rooms and other reverbs, and many other things.
IRs are generally recorded using sharp full frequency sounds such as a clap, or as you say with sweeps. They could be made by playing notes from a guitar, but I don't think that's a standard practice and probably wouldn't work very well. The IR's goal is to capture what happens to every frequency fed to it. A guitar note wouldn't represent a full frequency.
An IR captures frequency response over time. Traditionally, an impulse response is the recording of an impulse (a transient spike that essentially has a momentary burst of all frequencies). If emit the impulse on a concert hall stage and record the response from mics in the middle of the space, you capture the reverberant qualities of the space as heard by a listener in that position.
If you play an impulse through a cabinet, you capture the resonances and reverberation of the cabinet.
If you play an impulse into a guitar or cello (or tap the instrument sharply) and capture the response, you capture the resonances of that instrument’s body,
Electric violin and cello players have been using them for years to make their amplified instruments sound more natural.
A convolution app convolves the signal you are processing through the IR which results in the IR shaping the sound as if played through the sampled space/body.
Since we are on the topic, there are a few IR loaders (jamps for example) that give you a slider to zoom in and out of the wav file once you load it. Most don’t. What is the purpose of this feature? And should I be zooming out or in (do I want a loooong tail for IRs or just the chonky sound part)?
Just remembered….
Jamp Acoustic which is free to try with IAP
And
Jamp IR which is free to use
I also came across a post in this forum about free acoustic ir’s
https://forum.loopypro.com/discussion/47940/free-acoustic-irs-available
That´s great!
I alredy did all the process and sounds great! I buy Nembrini IR Loader and i try first with the Taylor sounds that richardyot recomendme from Worship Tutorials.
It sound very good, but late i discover this page https://www.acousticir.ovh/rubrique3.html wich have hundreds of free wav samples of IR with many diferent options.
I have and american fender acustasonic tele with a fishman pick under the bridge (wich sounds also good direct. So i search for a fishman pickup IR and i downloaded 5 diferent (Martin, Gibsons and Tylor)
I think i find a great sound with a Martin CPC 28 pickup sound) I correct a little bit the eq from the Nembrini IR Loader cause the low frecuencies a have a little feedback in 80 Hz and that´s it. I disabled the compressor and bass booster in the Nembrini IR ; it didn't improve the sound, and it wasn't necessary (I have a good compressor on the input of my Universal Audio Volt 476 audio interface). Now sound amazing.
I have to search for a good reverb to put some but further ahead, for now I think I have it.
Any advice you have (or a good reverb for the acoustic guitar) is welcome. For the electric guitar, I'm happy with Tone Stack Pro.
This chat was really helpful. Especially @richardyot and @Wim.
Best regards and have a great weekend, everyone.
Cheers!
Some of the ToneStack Pro reverbs are quite good IMO, but I imagine you've already tried them. Sorry, I don't really have any recommendations. I mostly just use my Strat these days. Too lazy to work closely with the acoustic. It just hangs there on the wall giving me sad looks all day.
You might try the free Audiokit reverb. There are quite a lot nice reverbs out there, AudioReverb, EOS, the Toneboosters reverb are all good general purpose reverbs.
BYOD as a IR loader built in and it’s free.
Just tried this and now I’m confused haha. So in BYOD there are two IR loaders. One is called Lofi and it’s all old speaker type IRs. Pretty neat, but you can’t load your own files. The other one is called Amp IRs and you can load your own, tried some of my spring IRs, sounds great. But all the preloaded ones are all different amps. I thought amp captures were NAM files (I can’t load any of my own) and IRs are more speakers/cabs. Is the thing just mislabeled? Are there amp IR captures too?!
IR's and NAM captures are similar in concept, but different things. NAM captures need a NAM player. IRs need an IR loader.
What they capture doesn't matter. They're just two different ways of doing similar things.
IRs and NAM captures are different sorts of things though both use sampling techniques. NAM can have IR-like applications but not vice-versa.
IRs essentially capture frequency spectrum changes over time. It is good for representing certain sorts of more-or-less linear processes. It is useful for capturing reverbant spaces, speaker cabinets and acoustic instrument bodies.,IRs can’t capture distortion .
I am not sure if what BYOD calls amp IRs are cabinet IRs for the named amps or are IRs to capture the basic EQ character. You might use an IR to capture an amp’s EQ profile at a particular setting, but that wouldn’t be like what NAM, etc do as it wouldn’t capture the distortion.
NAM/TONEX/GUITARML use machine learning techniques to capture a different sort of signal transformation that allows it to capture more dynamic sorts of non-linear processes such as the way parts of a signal distort differently at different volume levels. It kind of of runs a varied signal through an amp (or stomp box or whatever is being captured) while a neural net or similar analyzes the result. On playback it sort of predicts what the output should be by analyzing the input signal and saying “what I learned is that when the input signal was like this the output was…”. And generating a result. Kind of.