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Does small developers dodging EU bureaucracy qualify as a Ponzi Scheme?
A forum user recently hinted that indie developers removing their iOS apps from sale in the EU to reduce the amount of friction and bureaucracy, mainly due to the "Digital Services Act" and its requirement to publish your private home address on the internet, potentially qualifies as a scam or Ponzi Scheme.
Do you agree?
- Is removing apps from sale in the EU due to bureaucratic overhead a Ponzi Scheme?12 votes
- Yes16.67%
- No75.00%
- Maybe0.00%
- What's for dinner?8.33%
Comments
Absolutely not.
As I understand it, "scam" and "Ponzi scheme" aren't synonyms. Rather, a Ponzi scheme is merely a type of scam.
Yah the Digital Services Act sounds horribly out of touch with the reality of the world today. I do not blame anyone for not putting their address out there and if someone has to pull their app because of it then so be it. In no way is that on the dev. Working in games I know how insane neckbeard asshole losers who have never touched grass can get. DO NOT let them know where you live.
Thanks for your support everyone!
And I'm shocked nobody has voted for "What's for dinner?" 🥴
The App Store provides no information to developers concerning who has bought their apps. Apple also enforce policies preventing apps from gathering such information without disclosure and without opt-in.
Yep. 😐
That's unfortunate, and yeah, I would not consider selling my products online to people if they insisted on knowing my private address. Fair play though -- not everyone has to do business with everyone else.
I would never force any online customer of mine to disclose their private address to me, not sure why you think this would be the case.
OK, this clarifies, thanks.
Maybe the bottom line is that BOTH independent developers AND customers are screwed. The important thing to make sure is that those do NOT blame EACH OTHER, but the PERPETRATORS (the EU who makes these laws) instead!
Absolutely.
The problem is not sharing my home address per-se, although even this is borderline to me. These are not traditional "Guy buys something on fish market" sales. They're international sales to unknown customers of virtual goods. I don't think the old concepts of "Buyer knows seller" work here at this scale.
But even then: to be able to sell to even ONE SINGLE CUSTOMER in the EU, I have to tell ALL 8,000,000,000 HUMANS ON EARTH my address.
This imbalance is the problem.
You're overreacting. There are probably less than 800,000 of them who would ever consider misusing that information. 😉
Maybe slightly. But if only ONE in TEN of those 800,000 kicked in my front door, that would already cost me 80,000 * 500 = 40,000,000 EUR in front door replacements 🥴
I was being ironic. Of course you aren't overreacting. It's a ridiculous requirement and one that does expose a developer to an out of scale level of risk for no actual help to consumers. There are adequate protections for consumers already. There's absolutely no need to provide a physical address for them to come to your home. If there was anything to warrant that, involving law enforcement or legal representation would be the only appropriate course of action, and Apple could be compelled to provide that information in that case.
You've stated it perfectly. There's no call for forcing one to expose their personal address to the entire world in order to do business through the App Store.
Hey. I'm one of the remaining ~0.1% of the population who can still detect humor autonomously 😂 I appreciate the effort though!
Thank you!
I'm also not blaming you @0tolerance4silence -- it's a complex topic and one that is either a result of the incompetence of those in power, or actively being abused by them to further their agenda and divide the population. (tinfoil hat! 😃)
Can you use a Post Office Box instead of your home address?
Sorry, I missed your reply?
There is no conclusive evidence on the viability of a P.O. Box. But even if this works -- a P.O. Box in the country I'm in (Ireland) is so expensive that it's a very significant fraction of total previous sales in the EU!
It's about €400 euro, right? It's a very sizeable chunk, but I'd say it's probably worth paying if you're planning to continue releasing apps. It's not just the lost sales to EU customers, it's the knock on effect on word of mouth too, which matters a lot in an ecosystem like this. Fewer people buying, fewer people commenting on social media or discussing here, fewer watching videos on those apps so they do worse with the algorithm etc, fewer buying one app and then going on to buy the lot. It's a very annoying problem I know, and it's outrageous that it's currently necessary to give an address to have your apps on the EU AppStore, but if it costs a few hundred euro, tax deductible, it's worth contemplating surely?
Btw, as mentioned, a ponzi scheme is a very specific kind of financial fraud, it's not a synonym of 'scam'.