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How do you use MIDI generators?

danmdanm
in General App Discussion

I'm experimenting with some midi generators and interested how others are using these in your workflows.

I really like Piano Motifs, for example...as far I can tell, it's use is less targeted for live performance than others. so I also plan to explore midi generators that are intended to be used during live performances. I'm using as AUv3 in Loopy Pro, just fyi, but interested in any/all environments/combinations.

Regardless of how they are intended to be used...I am wondering how you are using midi generators in your workflows and which ones work well for you in which workflows/settings and in combination with what other plugins.

Thanks in advance

Comments

  • wimwim
    edited October 2025

    I'm not performing live any more, but to me using MIDI generators for live work is a terrible idea. They add potential points of failure, complication of templates, routing, timing, pattern changes, etc. etc. etc.

    Render the good stuff to midi or better yet audio. Move on so you can focus on your performance, not on baby sitting a bunch of machines.

    That's my advice.

  • wimwim
    edited October 2025

    Name any midi generator that adds value that your audience will notice over pre-rendered clips. Then convince yourself that contribution is worth the work to set up and make reliable and distraction free. If you can, then have at it. 😎

  • SquishySquishy

    @wim said:
    Name any midi generator that adds value that your audience will notice over pre-rendered clips. Then convince yourself that contribution is worth the work to set up and make reliable and distraction free. If you can, then have at it. 😎

    I would say maybe some generative midi apps? Maybe? Haha I don’t perform live. And I guess you could prerecord it first. But the idea of performing a sequence and having it be different every performance is kinda neat to me. I remember Brian Eno put out an album that came with music software that played the album but with generative aspects, so each time you played it you were hearing something new (it had trippy shape n colors too, I assume those were also generative somehow). But would the audience really tell the midi sequence is any different? I guess that depends how you implement it, what genre you’re playing, and maybe if audience members are going to more than one show. It’s not midi, but bands like the Grateful Dead are pretty big on having each set being completely different than any other. I dunno, feel like I’m just rambling now haha

  • SquishySquishy

    I’d recommend Cem olcays bud app series (polybud, snakebud, chordbud, etc). There’s so many so you’re bound to find the usecase you’re looking for. You can link them together so they share things like tempo, scale, even midi inputs/outputs. And I honestly can’t think of one that has crashed on me before, so decently stable

  • danmdanm

    Thanks @Squishy, appreciate it!
    Thanks @wim! Actually, much of my live performing is generative in nature, as it is with fellow musicians working on (often enhancing and refining) original song compositions w/o an audience.

    Plugins that can add some unpredictable layers and different sounds can sometimes help in the creative process...as you say, sometimes they don't but in my case, there's limited downside.

    As you say, once we have some things that are more refined, I'd record those to midi or audio loops for repeat use.

  • michael_mmichael_m

    I tend to avoid them as I haven’t really found one that does anything for me that I can’t do with my own ten fingers. For the most part they follow standard composition rules, but if I did use one it would create something outside of standard scales or chord progressions.

    However, the more out of left field the ideas, the more that @wim ’s point becomes relevant.

    Might not be the approach that everyone takes, but I tend to feel that pushing myself with composition or playing skills is where I want to get my advances from. That doesn’t mean I won’t use backing tracks of any kind, but I would like them to be as predictable as a live musician who I have discussed how we will play in advance.

  • jwmmakerofmusicjwmmakerofmusic

    I sometimes dabbled with MIDI generators when doing live Ambient in AUM. Ioniarics being my favourite. But, I kinda stopped bothering with doing live Ambient in 2022. When I produce Ambient, I just do it in a DAW on iOS.

    Then again, I could be tempted to try live Ambient once more if the mood strikes.

  • Fruitbat1919Fruitbat1919

    Harmony Bloom is probably the only midi generator I still use often. I don't play live though, just jam for my own pleasure with it making notes in the background.

  • jwmmakerofmusicjwmmakerofmusic

    @Fruitbat1919 said:

    Harmony Bloom is probably the only midi generator I still use often. I don't play live though, just jam for my own pleasure with it making notes in the background.

    Harmony Bloom is definitely a lot of fun.

  • FizzyLizzy27FizzyLizzy27

    Lumbeat drummers are my go to MIDI generators. Great to jam over and structure songs.

  • ecouecou

    I like to use ChordBud or Scaler2 as a writing aid. I come up with very different chord progressions using them than I would on keyboard or guitar.

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