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Deleted and reinstalled AUM. - all sessions gone?
Hi, last week I deleted and then reinstalled AUM and I have just noticed that all my past sessions and audio files vanished. Is there anyway to recover them? This is painful:(
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Ah man, sorry to hear that. You're not the first to not notice the popup that warns of that happening.
The only way to recover your is to do a complete restore from a backup made before you deleted AUM. That will come at the cost of losing any changes you've saved in any app since the backup, will force you to the latest OS version compatible with your device, and will reinstall the latest version of every app you have. If there are any apps you had that are no longer available, they won't be reinstalled.
If you're thinking of doing that, check whatever backups you may have (iCloud, Mac, Windows/iTunes, iMazing) to ascertain whether they were done prior to the uninstall. If they're later than that, they won't be of any help.
Sorry, that's a lot of bad news right there. 😕
Are you able to see individual folders for iOS backups like with Time Machine backups? I’ve successfully pulled files from Time Machine without having to completely restore a backup.
Only if you use a third-party backup app like iMazing
I'd have a look in Recently Deleted Items in Files app just in case - I have had some weird files turn up in there before which haven't been manually deleted by me.
If they were synced with iCloud you can also try logging in to iCloud in a browser and checking the recently deleted items there as well.
Probably not in either location but probably worth a look. Otherwise, hope they are in a backup.
I will try some of the mentioned ideas from above. I like AUM, but this should be changed. The files should be independent in its own folder on the iPad.
My last backup in iCloud was yesterday and I did this reinstall of AUM a week ago. This sucks@@!! Drambo rules!
I know it is a bummer to lose data, but this isn’t AUM’s fault. For future reference, you can make backup copies of the AUM folder by hand for safekeeping.
When you delete an app, the OS puts up a warning that all application data will be deleted with an option to cancel.
Before deleting any app, it is advisable to make a backup of the app’s data.
Drambo does this as well if/when you delete the app. That's the way iOS works most of the time
Before deleting any apps make sure to back up the stuff created with them.
In practice, when deleting an app the app and its 'Documents' folder gets wiped...
Manually created outside of an apps 'Documents' folder (Folders at the root level in Files.app as one example) will not be touched when deleting an app.
Folders on iCloud will remain as long as there's at least one instance of an app installed on any device.
At least that's been my experience so far.
Ideally every app should have settings as to where to store the stuff created with it.
For 'Document Based Apps' (ie. GarageBand, LogicPro for iPad, Pages, Keybote as a few examples) you can create the files anywhere on the device, only the apps primary 'Documents' folder will get wiped when deleting any the apps.
It sucks yes, but that's the way it has always been, sometimes we learn the lessons 'the hard way' which is never that fun...
Well, it is what it is. I guess it's meant to be. I will be more careful next time. I learned something new. Thanks all:) AUM still is dope!
Zip this folder and save it somewhere. I use iCloud. It contains all AUM projects. If you’re ever going to delete an app it should have a folder or folders somewhere that you can back up in this way.
There are still a few unfortunate exceptions to this. Waymaker and other @aqeelaadam apps unfortunately have no folder in the file system, and not even an "iTunes" style private folder that you can access from a desktop. For Drambo, public filesystem has to be turned on. I think it's off by default.
This all harks back to the bad old days before the public file system and files app were available. It's getting better, but still slowly.
And some apps may have a public folder that doesn’t contain all your data. For example, Loopy Pro AUv3 projects aren’t in a user-accessible directory nor are AudioLayer’s samples and instruments if you use local storage. Those are just two examples.
Yes, it’s unfortunate that you sometimes have to rely on third party workarounds. I don’t think I use many apps that don’t have a way of backing up essential files however.
In this day and age, I think this file system is dated. I hope soon iOS does some better iPad file management. If I delete and reinstall Ableton on my Mac, this would not happen.
Yep, iOS is a total pain in the balls for this kinda thing. Even simple stuff like exporting and importing presets are often a headache and far more time consuming than necessary.
Doesn’t that have more to do with how devs implement file handling than with the Files app itself? Every DAW I’ve used on iOS had some way of backing up files. Some maybe automatically (use of iCloud or other web service) or at least give access to files so it can be done manually. If it’s that important there are ways of doing it.
AUM developer Jonatan made AudioShare, an AUM companion, for just that: managing recordings and files. It was the go-to file management back in the days when iOS didn’t have recent comprehensive file management.
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/audioshare/id543859300
I suppose it is partly devs. Even some desktop devs porting to iOS manage to have a normal folder in the Files app for presets. Eg. FM Zone. Would be great if every app saved presets in an accessible file. Instead of even needing to import you could just drag presets into it. To make categories for user presets, you'd just make and name your own folders therein.
Technically an AUv3 can access all 'stuff' visible in Files.app using security scoped URLs and it's up to the developer to add that functionality to their AUv3's.
On initial launch of the AUv3 the user still has to select the folder they wish to access and grant the AUv3 permission to access it.
The use of security scoped URLs has become more stable in recent (ie. >18) iOS/iPadOS versions and this puts developers in a tricky situation whether to support 'oldish' iOS version or require more a recent iOS version for the added benefit of improved file management...
Many developers choose to use 'Private Storage Containers' in order to be able to share files between their own apps.
These storage containers can by default not be directly accessed using the Files.app unless the developer also adds a 'File Provider Extension' (ie. similar to what AudioShare does). This is not an optimal solution thought.
It is what it is...
As I understood it, Antos3345 couldn’t see the AUM folder, which is weird. I can see the AUM folder in Files.app without opening AudioShare.
While it is possible to see the AUM 'projects' folder there is no way to access the AUM audio-recordings from Files.app unless AudioShare and it's FileProvider extension is enabled which is a real WTF in my book...
(If AudioShare is NOT installed the recordings get wiped as well when deleting AUM as the last app that uses a Storage Provider controls whether it remains on the device or not).
Yeah, I’m so used to having AudioShare and following a simple regular backup process from day one that I don’t even doubt there are people using AUM without it. 🤦♂️
I just want to mention that the folders in the Files app named for apps are not "normal" folders. They are actually "Documents" folders inside the apps' private storage. "On my iPad" in the sidebar is a "File Provider" that makes these folders accessible. This is why they vanish when the app and its data are deleted.
Yepp and I've not even dared to check what happens to all the files and folders created at the root level in Files.app when the actual Files.app is deleted
I wonder why Apple even call it "iPadOS" when it's just as limited and restricted as the iPhone OS in its core.
Users should at least be able to access their own data in the sandboxed app folder.
There is a way to uninstall and reinstall the app without deleting its data, using offloading. You have to go into the iPad storage bit of Settings and look for the storage info for the app (NB NOT the global offload option), where you’ll find an option to offload the app.
This keeps the data and lets you reinstall it from the App Store by tapping its icon (which will have the cloud icon next to the name while the app isn’t installed.
This won’t work for apps that are no longer in the App Store, and I would advise caution in any case and backing up the data if you can before doing it.
If you’re doing the uninstall/reinstall to sort out some problems, be aware that this won’t help if the problem is something like a corrupted settings file as that will be kept in place, so it’s not a comprehensive cure-all.
The irony here is that it's up to the app developer to choose if they decide to show their apps Documents folder or not.
It doesn't require any coding either, just a check box...
With some users having 1000+ apps installed Files.app would get pretty crowded
If you look at a crash dump or jetsam log, you see that both systems are actually called "iPhone OS". I believe the main difference between iOS and iPadOS is the removal of wallpapers and icons that are not required. This is mainly a benefit for iOS, since it can drop the huge iPad bitmaps. And of course, iPadOS is missing the phone-specific features.