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UPDATED 11-30::::Guitar or Non-Keyboard Synths?? On Sale?
Hi Everyone,
other than - Roxsyn and Guitar Space (and Drambo of course) - are there any "synth" like apps on Sale??
After recommendations from the group; I tried out a vocoder (not vocorder as I pronounced it, LOL)..... and it's a GREAT sound. OF COURSE ............. there are thousands of synth sounds. But this violin + humanoid vc by ba is pretty good, and I have not tweaked it much.
HOWEVER.... I want to, somehow, add 2 sounds to this
1) a volume envelope on the attack of notes so there's an ease hesitation on the attack
2) the filter station type filter envelope on the attack of notes
...WHILST... keeping the rest of the tone of the vio + humanoid - the same.
Any Ideas??
Thanks!!
Comments
Valkure and Taurus are good.
I don't think they're on sale right now.
You can get synth-like results by sending the output through FX, and using mostly the wet output. Ringotron can be a nice place to start. Not on sale, but cheap as chips, and something just about anyone can make use of in some way.
An important distinction: There are guitar "synths" that are triggered by detected notes, then make synth sounds, and there are "effects" that directly process the audio from the guitar into synth like sounds.
None are usually great for chords, but the effect style apps are probably better for that. Guitar triggered synths have to detect notes and use those, which necessarily must introduce latency, and work far better with single notes that aren't triggered to close together.
Some guitar player also learn some synth playing. 😉 I know I have.
I hate that look my guitars always give me when I leave them hanging on the wall gathering dust while I poke around with some sissy keyboard.
@wim @ecou Have you tried Mela???
LOL..... my violin gets into a jealous fit or rage if I even LOOK at keyboard.
Sorry, no.
Your guitars need to learn how to share.
No
Elastic OSC https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/elastic-osc/id6478936836 by @elasticdrums is based on two touch pads.
NoiseSpace and NoInputMixer are synthesizers (sort of) without a keyboard. Borderlands isn’t a synth, strictly speaking.
Good old TC-11. Not cheap, but great sound and definitely no keys involved. And plenty of presets to get started.
https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/tc-11/id488577050
Shoom is a great non keyboard drone machine.
On BF sale now
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/shoom-synthesizer/id1086363141
I appreciate the recommendations - the idea behind my question was; you INPUT a guitar signal (or in my case a violin signal), rather a keyboard /MIDI signal; and then use the controls in the plugin to create sounds similar to what you would get with a keyboard based synth.
There are no “guitar synths” that have the range of what you are calling keyboard synths as guitar synths are really complex multieffects units that shape the incoming sound rather than actual synthesizers. True synths generate a sound source internally which gives a much wider range of architectures and results than you can get by processing a guitar or violin signal.
MIDI Guitar may be ideal for this kind of application. If you purchase MIDI Guitar 2, you can join the Test Flight for MIDI guitar 3, which is better in many ways.
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/midi-guitar/id523095780
This is the way. MIDI Guitar is great.
+1
One of many MIDI Guitar demos on YT...
This is a better demo...
Oh. I thought you were thinking about using this with your guitar, which I think you mentioned you also play?
Playing from violin, unless you use real staccato notes is going to be a mess with actual "guitar synths" that do note detection and pitch tracking. Notes with no strong transient, with vibrato, and slides, etc. are going to throw anything trying to track pitch for a loop.
What you really need isn't a synth, but FX that transform your sound in synth like ways. You're not likely to get far with your violin as a replacement for a keyboard. That's hard enough to do with a guitar. If you're trying to do that, then an app like MIDI Guitar 2 that's built from the ground up to convert sound to midi notes is a better bet. Results will likely be very mixed with a violin even then though. I'd suggest clean pizzicato playing if you're going to try.
I wonder if you could set up GeoShred in a violin string configuration? 🤔
I bet you could. At least then the note placement would be familiar.
Even though this new thing (Transfigure) from Sugarbytes is desktop only (for now?) it could be pretty freaky to use with live instruments
@espiegel123 Correct - a complex multi-fx unit that shapes incoming sound. That's what I am after. Ideally - there would be presets that emulate keyboard synths with their oscillators). On occasion I combine a number of plugins that give me somewhat of a synth sound, but it's more by chance that something solid, repeatable and customizable.
It would NOT have to be polyphonic (support me playing more than one note at a time). It would have to have (for some sounds) superb pitch tracking, something that lets you adjust the attack and sustain of notes (something akin to ADSR).
@wim I picked up that Ringotron - very nice plugin. Thank you!!
Yeah, it's a gem. I need to work with it a lot more than I do.
Combustor?
I hate to be discouraging, but I really don't think you're going to find anything like that. It's just not a typical usage to try to convert something as diverse sounding as a violin into an oscillator based synth sound.
Thinking about it though ... I wonder if you could put a vocoder to use. 🤔
Vocoders modify a modulator wave, such as an oscillator, with a career (usually voice, or in your case violin) source.
That's just me thinking out loud. I may experiment a bit with that for today's science experiment though.
I couldn't get any decent results with that approach.
If you go desktop with MIDI Guitar 3 you also get MIDI violin and MIDI Bass.
I really need to nail down my MIDI Guitar setup - it’s pretty solid but I have to pick a few dedicated synths to control and get it clean. 3 in particular does MPE and handles chords pretty well.