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btw, you started off asking if there was a plugin to do this. As often is the case, we veered off into Drambo territory because there was no packaged app that came to mind.
But lest you think Drambo is a distraction from the question, it's not. Rather, it illustrates the exact challenges that a plugin would need to face. Perhaps a purpose built app could be better optimized with low level coding for the job, but the DSP challenges are the same. I doubt that a purpose built app could do a dramatically better job.
(Stated not as a "Drambo Head", which I'm not.)
I have no real stake in this but this is an interesting conversation.
@Vmusic
Since you asked a very similar question long ago but didn't respond anymore
https://forum.loopypro.com/discussion/49549/help-separating-two-sounds-this-is-a-tough-one#latest
I wonder what happened?
If your point is to add "grit" to the bowed attack of the violin sound, sure, you could trigger a sample but why not try processing the attack sound itself? The big advantage would be that it will sound much more natural for sure and "adapt" to how you're playing. Within some limits, you could even process the bowed sound in sustained notes etc.
Another idea: Cut / re-pitch your sample and load it as an impulse in Drambo's Convolver to process the separated attack.
Well in any case, I love your violin playing. Great! And if you can share us some sample fodder I wouldn’t complain 😅
@pedro
Thank you for your kind words.
ONE GOAL - is to create more of a guitar sounds with the violin. The sound I am after not continuous distortion but just "the edge of breakup" at the beginning of the note. I have plenty of distortion plugins in Loopy Pro, but nothing that does this.
ANOTHER GOAL - to transform violin sounds into drum beats; which I have gotten much better at.
@Vmusic - It's odd that you can't get just the edge of breakup sound on the beginning transient of the violin note. I mean ... that's how distortion is supposed to work - distorting less as the volume tapers off. What plugins have you tried? Some are more responsive to volume change than others.
It almost makes me wonder if you need some dynamic expansion, which is the opposite of compression. Expanders make loud sounds louder and quieter sounds quieter.
This post as me very intrigued . I kinda understand trying to make the violin sound more like a guitar but like a drum ? What the end goal of this ?
I actually want to solve this use case scenario to use MIDI Guitar as a trigger for drum hits. That way I could get a loop of a drum beat going with guitar.
I’m also intrigued to see where this goes, and I totally agree with @rs2000 ’s take above, don’t think samples, but use the attack portion of the sound and send it through some kind of processor, like attack detection and resonators. Pretty straightforward to do it in drambo, I mean if you’re using it.
Maybe you could record, and share a few really hard hitting attacks (clean samples) of you going all in on the violin, and let us play with the sound? See if the clay sticks to tge wall?
Anyway, interesting thread
OK EVERYONE..... the violin -> drum sounds is, to be honest and transparent, somewhat "entertaining" or if you will, "cosmetic" of sorts. I use Loopy Pro; and I can just press a widget button and start some pretty sweet drum loops (which I have purchased), and play along. The drum loops would be part of the background sound for my violin.
..............HOWEVER................... it "LOOKS" (I said entertaining and cosmetic) better and way more intriguing if I can produce part of the drum loop on the violin. Just a kick and snare on the violin. And, btw - at this point, using Fosfat plugin - I CAN do that. I can produce a kick and snare sound on the violin. THEN..... ssshhhh please don't tell..... I fade into my background music the really sweet drum loops I have purchased, and many times the audience is none the wiser.
The other item: I am trying the play the violin in short staccato notes, and replicate a guitar rhythms that has a sort of "chunk, chunk, chunk, chunk" type of sound. The notes are NOT very resonant or do not ring out much.
This is NOT the idea example....but it is kinda, sorta, somewhat close..... listen at 20 seconds in, and along with the bass, there is a guitar playing mostly bass /lower strings
Why do I want this? Versatility.... it allows me to bring more to the table than just a violin.
If you haven’t already, check out this technique that Teemu uses to get drumlike timbres for his guitar with Fosfat
https://youtube.com/shorts/0atzTrZ_SwY?si=Oa3r90Q33FntVSAq