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To Wotja or not to Wotja?
Geezer here, 78, minimal musical ability but an affinity for tinkering. Get along well with the SQSL apps, for example, and see time and money spent on apps as excellent cognitive exercise.
Any current Wotja users who would care to offer opinions, pro or con? The New Years sale is on and I’m highly tempted.
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I am 60, have been buying Wotja and its predecessors since Koan Pro, and have barely scratched the surface. I suggest watching some videos and reading the excellent documentation, but first download the free version and have a play. To get more hands-on, the 30 day Pro would be worth considering, but Wotja Pro has never been a purchase I have regretted.
Every so often I randomly dial incredible pieces that usually become a fleeting moment in time due to my inability to properly use it as part of a composition. With that being said, if I knew how to use it, I imagine it would be a must have for me.
It's AI, that the developers are choosing to call NOT AI simply through semantics!
Been using Wotja for several years (actually I have versions of the app going back to Wotja 19 still on my phone!). Haven’t tried 26 yet. It’s really the best app for creating any type of parametric ambient soundscapes or whatever you call them. Absolutely no AI. Kind of steep learning curve. Price for Pro gone up quite a bit this year. It’s really an app you can spend hours tinkering and tweaking it has really massive amount of options and configurations. If you’re into that sort of stuff she’ll put the $$$ and dive in! Also the devs are super nice and responsive.. this is real hardcore indie well worth the support
Is it “trained” using the work of others? I use chord apps and arpeggiators that are derived from work that went before, but I have a hard time calling them “AI". Is a Google search AI?
It’s not trained.
Price dropped from last night’s quoted $39.99 to $23.99 (iOS only). Going to give it a go. Thanks for your opinions.
I keep on saying I will give Wotja a go at some point, even if just to try it for a month via subscription, but then I become overwhelmed, lose interest and work on Ambient soundscapes in other apps instead (DAWs usually). I'm more of a control freak behind the virtual mixing desk. 😅
There seem to be many videos on Youtube about Wotja but not sure which one would be most beneficial to a complete beginner to Wotja like me. ❤️
Also, Wotja is not AI. It doesn't use other people's works, doesn't scrape data. Wotja is a tool that aides in creating Generative music...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generative_music
...which has been around for a long time, the term itself being coined by Brian Eno in the 90s. That said, the music creator is the intelligence behind said music. No text prompts involved.
Oh, and if you read the article, @impete and @imtim are mentioned by name. 😉
Hi!
Words are very important. In the modern colloquial understanding of what is meant by AI - which is large transformer based models built using scraping, such as LLMs - that isn’t how Wotja works at all.
If you’re somebody who has a classical academic understanding of what AI used to mean before the LLMs, data mining and “AI slop” all entered the common vocabulary; well then yes, you could describe the mathematical approaches and heuristics used in the WME with that label.
But we don’t! Because we feel it is important to prospective users of Wotja. Using Wotja is a creative process, where we give you - the artist- all the levers to steer what is happening. A bit more steampunk, perhaps! But no AI slop, and no data mining.
Please also read how we talk about it here:
https://wotja.com/app/#ai
The main Wotja thread is here
https://forum.loopypro.com/discussion/comment/1447086#Comment_1447086
Best wishes, Pete
Very well said, both here and via the link 👍👍👍
Thanks Gavinski! I genuinely think these are important conversations to have in broader society. What will happen to personal creativity, and shared cultural experiences, in a world overtaken by LLMs and huge Generative "AI" systems (and the vast amounts of money tied-up in them)? To have such conversations, we need to be pretty clear about the labels we use to describe things. So it is very helpful, I think, to have discussions where we simply explore what such labels mean to each of us.
On a related, but separate, note: we're acutely aware as a provider of generative music technology, that we want to create tools that work on a personal level, very much like a luthier creates guitars for their guitarists, and works as a tool to enhance and reward creativity and exploration, not replace it.
I am deeply uncomfortable about systems that create content by soaking-up vast quantities of content created by actual artists, and regurgitating that content such that it "feels real". What happens to the artist in such a world? What happens to creativity?
Best wishes, Pete
I've just dug-out a nice Haiku by the brilliant @UMCorps (Mark Harrop!) used to describe our Noatikl Music Engine (now called the Wotja Music Engine - archived here https://intermorphic.com/archive/tiklapp/noatikl/3/); I've replaced Noatikl with Wotja to bring it up to date
Music, recorded,
A meal, frozen.
Wotja: Real,
home, fresh cooking.
Best wishes
Thanks folks, and best wishes for 2026!
P.S. We hope it will be a fun year, and we have some more cool stuff in the works
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Tim
Awesome! Cheers! 🍻
Thanks for putting into far better words than what I was trying to explain above. 😂 I am vehemently opposed to what is called AI these days (as you said, LLMs, data mining and slop), but Wotja isn't that at all!
Brian Eno used the original software which has evolved into Wotja, so I'd love to learn Wotja at long last. Pete, @imtim , any recommendations for a good getting started video to help me jump in straightaway? (I tried to "read the flippin manual", but it's a daunting read to say the least! 😂 )
I'll let @imtim answer that for you!
I've might told this story before, but I remember visiting Brian in his studio in Notting Hill with Tim once, and Brian told us that he used to use Koan Pro balancing the manual on his head, to remind him to keep saving. I don't think he was joking
That was pre-production software mind you!
... I think!
Of course, he was a huge Mac user back then, and IIRC he used the Windows machine purely as a means to an end, as the software relied on Windows; not least because of the fantastic sound cards that were coming available for PCs back in the day - in this case, the amazing Creative Labs AWE32, which was the core of the wonderful sounds he created for Generative Music 1.
Best wishes, Pete
That's a fascinating story and piece of history right there!
Thanks for that.
I used to use a Windows machine for my music until I had my first iPad. Eventually, I moved away from Windows in 2017/2018 since my output on iOS sounded much more professional. For instance, access to top-tier plugins at a fraction of the cost of their desktop counterparts.
IIRC, we introduced our first Software Synthesiser in Koan Pro 2, where we introduced the concept of Vector Audio. Tiny files, that would play consistently on all supported platforms. I think that was also our first Mac port.
Best wishes, Pete
I like that a lot! Thanks for the history, mate.
All the best, Jim.
Ok, fair...I will have a look at those links you provided.
Just a passing thought from me here, but I'm not really sure how a lot of music technology businesses - especially the big ones - are going to keep going; the plug-in market seems saturated to me, and prices don't feel sustainable.
Best wishes, Pete
Yeah, that's so true. Korg, for instance, can afford to lose out on some money to the plugin market given their primary focus seems to be hardware. I'll be subscribing to Wotja soon though once I tuck into some "getting started" tutorial videos. Just waiting on @imtim for a good recommendation(s).
Without wanting to preempt @imtim, I'd suggest starting with the items with audio (solid mortarboard icon) in the list here.
Thank you! That is a lot of videos, though because Wotja is so deep, they really do only touch the surface.
Pete
A good idea mate.
Thank you for that.
@Masanga
Thanks!
Sorry for slow reply, has been a busy few weeks!
I don't think there is a need for any new Tutorials atm and I would suggest the easiest way to get going is to check out the following Tutorials on this page https://wotja.com/tutorials/directlinks.html (note that the order is subject to change
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They are all short, and you can skip what you want. But, the key thing is to first get to know how the UI fits together and how to create and change things. After that, it largely comes down to having an idea of what you want to do (everyone is different) and then to experiment with parameters etc. (which is where the User Guide comes in)! You will quickly find that you go down lots of interesting rabbit holes and then probably forget what you were originally setting out to do in the first place
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Tip: You might actually find that using Google NotebookLM could be useful. See this FAQ: https://wotja.com/help/#wotja-help-ai
I hope the above helps!
Best wishes
Tim
Thank you so kindly, mate.
I didn't know there was a tutorials page, so I'll definitely dig into those.
If you’re using Lumbeat Drummers, Battlestation, Riffler, or anything like that but consider this as AI then there’s definitely a misunderstanding of AI vs generative. Others explained the nuances of definitions, but categorically those would also fall under the generative/procedural umbrella.
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