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I'm hoping so, as well as PCM waveforms from different gear like the JV-1080 and such.
I’m fairly sure the waveforms in the 90s MC series and D2 derived from the JV series but in some cases were lower quality.
Based on this thread, I think the release of this app is more highly anticipated than the Second Coming, move over Scientology, ‘Zenology’ is in town 🤣
Yep. It’s going to be epic. I really hope they include some Roland effects too.
Interesting to say the least.
I hope so too to be honest.
I am also hoping for PCM waveforms from the Roland Sound Canvas series of hardware/software. Would be pretty cool to combine those sounds in interesting ways. Whether to produce drones, or leads, or whatever. ❤️
would be amazing to have these sounds on-hand without the need to plug my old grooveboxes in and faff about with their interfaces
there's so many amazing synths available to us but sometimes I just really want the groovebox sound!
Lol. Same here, mate.
This is what Google AI has to say regarding Zenology in general when it comes to older Roland sound libraries:
The PCM waveforms in Roland's ZENOLOGY (and the underlying ZEN-Core Synthesis System) are derived from decades of Roland's digital synthesizer and groovebox history. They act as a massive, unified repository of sounds from Roland's legacy, spanning the 1990s through the 2000s and beyond.
Roland - Global
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Primary Source Instruments & Series
The PCM library is heavily based on, or includes waves from, these iconic instruments and expansions:
JV-Series & XV-Series: Sounds from the Roland JV-1080, JV-2080, and XV-5080 workstations.
SR-JV80 & SRX Expansion Boards: Many of the over 7,000 PCM waveforms come from the SR-JV80 and SRX "PCM Synth Collection," which include specialized sounds like Strings, Brass, Orchestra, Dance Trax, and Vintage Keys.
Fantom Series: Sounds from the Fantom X and related workstations.
MC-Series Grooveboxes: Waveforms from the MC-909, MC-808, and others.
JD-Series: Sounds likely derived from the JD-800/990 era.
Roland - Global
/DMfan🇸🇪
Hoping Google AI is accurate in this case, because YES!!! I can't wait!
@DMfan said:
While that is not surprising, it is disappointing if true.
Why is it disappointing. Sounds amazing to me.
just got this in an email:
It’s happening 😳
Looks like developing the AUv3 has taken longer than expected and they’re releasing the standalone that they basically had ready at NAMM, rather than waiting further - and looking silly - after saying “available early 2026”…
And I think their proposed pricing may be scary, based on it only being available at Pro sub and above… 😬
I love Roland gear, but they drive me crazy with their inability to effectively link together all the pieces they have… on top of their bizarre subscription model… 🙄
No update on the Roland GX IPad website
I'll take the standalone...AUv3 will be great but I'd rather not wait until both are ready until it is released
lol yeah I get that impression too!
at least there's a generous testing period to see whether the investment will be worth it
Why make us wait to buy a lifetime key? Let me give you my money lol I’m not touching that cloud subscription
I would NOT be surprised if a mandatory Roland Account is needed to buy the life-time key and as such if the Roland Cloud services would go down the life-time key would be no more... (But this goes for all other on-line activations as well).
I have license keys for Roland softsynths and the only problem is that you have to log into the cloud to check credentials. I hate it.
That's how their other lifetime keys work in general, and I don't expect them to go out of their way to make this any different.
Zenology GX for iPad is shaping up to be a beast and I hope they prove me wrong, but I think it will be priced more in line with the other soft synths from Roland than with the general iPad pricing strategy, so I'd expect it to be:
[quoted myself instead of editing the previous post, sorry]
Oh damn that's a shame. I don't need online DRM on my ipad apps. best of luck Roland!
I think you are right for most iOS music producers, and esp. for people who don’t have large hardware collections this might be great news. A person who just wants to pull up sounds to perform with should be happy as a clam with this. Even synth tweakers that want to mess with virtual retro gear will likely be happy.
My disappointed perspective won’t apply to most iOS music producers, but so far I have everything they are offering in Zenology. I am disappointed that a major manufacturer is no longer an innovator and are seemingly content to repackage libraries of old sounds rather than add something new. The iOS Devs are regularly dropping innovative synths that provide many new synthesis methods and combing methods in interesting ways. iOS Devs are blowing Roland away. We can all point to dozens of iOS synths that are far more creative than repackaging 90’s & 00’s sounds. As an example, why can’t Roland add to Zenology some synthesis methods such as granular, wave sequencing, and physical modeling with the ability to have 4 different synthesis types in one performance patch? I expect more from Roland. Maybe Roland needs to hire some iOS Devs.
I have been considering a Fantom EX and was hoping Zenology would bring something truly new and exciting which would integrate fully with the Fantom EX. That doesn’t seem to be happening and now I am considering putting my $3,500 elsewhere. A new PC and Omnisphere 2 might be more useful to me. I don’t expect to be in the majority on this in this forum, but I think Zenology isn’t really designed for me. Roland isn’t making Zenology for their loyal hardware customers but rather for the iOS scene. Fair enough, but I am still disappointed and they are likely losing out on another hardware sale.
I understand your point of view. It seems Roland spent money on developing Zenology and are now working to put it into as many devices as possible to recoup their cost.
I'm a massive Roland fan and love the vintage Roland sounds so this fits me very well. I guess you will need to look elsewhere for innovation.
This is a great Swedish little tune. You might have heard it before.
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/DMfan🇸🇪
Yeah I also expect innovation that I don't see/hear. Waldorf, with the Iridium, and Korg across a range of boards, out of the historically big synth names, seem to me a step closer to the boutique innovators. Moog too, at least in the fact that the Animoog is vector wavetable and extensive. As well as the conservatism of synthesis, I'm also slightly surprised the biggest manufacturers Roland, Yamaha and so on, have so far pretended MPE hasn't happened, almost like, well because we can't monopolize it as the makers of an interface for it, we won't support it so it doesn't grow, contain it as a niche thing until we can figure out what our version of that product is. Meanwhile it keeps growing and they're going to be the last ones involved.
I'm probably not buying the hardware, because my iPad is my hardware. I'm still excited to try Zenology GX on iPad during the free period, but that's not to say if I'll stick with it. I am currently knee-deep with working in Korg Gadget on my iPad, and FL Studio Mobile and Auxy Studio on my iPhone. Nanostudio 2 has been removed entirely from the Appstore (was my favorite AUv3 host). While I love Cubasis for mastering tracks, recording and processing vocals, and other tasks such as those, it is a bit clunky to use as a creative tool for me personally (ymmv).
So beyond making Ambient by recording Roland Sounds via AUM's keyboard into Koala, I'm unsure if I'll buy the full unlock. Especially if I need to sign in once in a while to verify a lifetime unlock. Sounds like a complete and utter chore.
Then again, I'll await more details from @MatthewAtZenbeats about the unlocking system.
Close to release. So another 4 months then.
Lol hahaha. 😂
The MPE thing is baffling, but you are probably on to something - they likely ignore it until they can monopolize it. iOS Devs are creating great synth tools and the big makers should be using that as an added bonus to their hardware. The Roland Gaia 2 has a USB-C plug that makes it easy to send MIDI or to sample into my iPad. I would hope Roland would improve on that and have their flagship workstation natively work with Zenology and create a bridge into iOS, and offer added bonus functionality, and not just rehash old sounds. I think Yamaha makes more money selling pianos, but Korg has offered interesting new hardware and I bought 2 of their synths in the last few years. It would be nice though if Gadget recognized Korg hardware and could easily turn a Korg synth into a workstation. Those companies should take more advantage of iPads/iPhones to give their hardware added value. I hope I am wrong and Zenology turns out to offer an amazing interface to merge iOS and Roland hardware, but I am not holding my breath. Even still it could be great fro those without a collection of Roland hardware.