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Korg Module - IAP request - Alchemy Mobile
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Now this I would love to see working in Gadget 
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Definitely!
No, thanks. Gadget should be remain a closed universe. Korg owns enough algorithms and samples for the next years. I'm so tired with 3rd party stuff, IAA & Co.
The Ivory iap is 3rd party so who knows what's next
I wish Korg fixes midi in all apps instead
@klangsulfat said:
Truth.
I bought into Gadget partially because the initial description laid it out as an all-in-one app that would provide future updates without IAPs. In fact, I believe that was part of the initial aesthetic, although I'm happy to be proven wrong for the sake of argument. I was more than a bit shocked to see the sampler IAPs, as I thought the price of buying into Gadget included further upgrades (including instruments) based on Korg's initial statements. The more that Korg adds instruments to Gadget for increased cost, the less I want to buy; on the flip, if Korg released more Gadgets as independent instruments (with proper midi, you fucking slags) I'd actually be inclined to put a couple more dollars forth. As it stands, for what I paid to buy into the Gadget system vs. what I've gotten, I'm less than impressed.
If they ported the MS2000 to iOS, they'd gain my respect. If their Arp Odyssey is worth a damn, they will get my respect. But after 20+ years in the game, I'm really starting to see them as getting by on half measures that only pass due to cost. Being slightly better than Roland or Yamaha doesn't make you notable, only more reasonable, and somebody will be eating your lunch tomorrow. Especially in the iOS world, Gadget will be an afterthought once Ableton introduces Touch.
Korg has some hot products for now, but they are selling standards and expect you to buy something unique. Gadget should be pushing for something next level, not next year. Korg shouldn't treat midi as an option, but should be pushing iOS midi to a further plateau. If you accept things as they are, you're just giving them license. Why should Korg give you anything more for Gadget when you've already shown them you'll accept whatever minor shit they will feed you?
It's a sham. A year on, I never would have purchased Gadget. The only decent upgrade has been Landscape mode. Basic midi in to play a part with an external keyboard. If you want more, there are IAPs to give you new features without correcting other flaws.
So, correct it Korg; give us a few Gadgets for free and make it a more useable program. It wouldn't kill you, and it would inspire me to buy the new Electribes and Volca's just on faith; as it stand now, I'm not sure I'll ever take a chance on anything more than a $20 app with the Korg name.
@Accent said:
Really? I don't recall that, but I'm not sure how much copy I read about Gadget prior to my initial purchase, and my memory is generally dodgy.
I'd like to see a Korg Wavestation, M1 and Reason NN-XT style sampler gadget.
I have the bad feeling Korg just tried different business concepts regarding app / iap sales. They want to know how far they can go in order to earn the most money from us. This time I'll vote with my wallet. There is too much stuff inside Korg Module I do not need but would have to pay. As I already mentioned, a deluxe Marseille gadget with better fx and in-app-purchase of additional pro instruments would be much better. Beside this, some details inside Gadget has to be fixed before new stuff should be released.
It's hilarious how there's an absolute ton of tonal flexibility and functionality in Gadget and all of the supplemental gadgets as well as Module and people still complain about them like they're getting ripped off by the big corporation. Total them all together and it's still, cheap... CHEAP! I know they're not giving anything away but it's damn close compared to what you'd get with a brand new in the box Radias. Software will never write itself, costs money to develop and it always will. Quality software will always cost a bit more. This is quality. If you don't like it go back to Android and wait a few years. And while I'm on the topic, we should feel lucky Caustic continued development and was ported over to iOS in the first place.
Slightly better than Yamaha and Roland? Give me a break...
Maybe in the iOS world, but for hardware they are way out ahead of any big corporation.
I wanted the korg oasys pci card, really ambitious project what I read up about it and designed for touchscreen, so I'd like to see that.
@KDub:
Exactly my thoughts,thanks!
(well,not that i want to encourage other devs to increase their prices with this statement now :-)
@KDub said:
This. Not to mention the cost of all the work involved in the actual sampling of the various instruments (irregardless if the libraries are new or not).
I went on a bit of upgrade, plus shopping, spree in desktop land this week. Now THAT can get expensive. It's hilarious, or sad, I dunno yet, to see people squabble over iOS pricing structures.
Gadget is pretty amazing compared to other stuff on iOS. So you can't give Korg too hard a time.
I wish they'd hurry up and add midi out, audio tracks, proper fx features and ideally IAA though.
I don't mind them charging for their new gadgets (they are a business after all). For me its not a money thing. It's a please could you improve the core Gadget app thing.
@klangsulfat said:
i totally agree and i think this is a great strategy to build on the platform, make it profitable and sustainable and finally give us some cohesion, consistency and great all in 1 music production solution for ipad.
finally i can enjoy making tracks on ipad without most of my time wasted with compatibility issues, midi woes and a disillusionment with the platform......Korg have my vote.....i really hope we see them open up the app to 3rd party gadgets....i can dream.
For me Korg is a name a number one company for both ios stuff and hardware, i just wish they do proper midi, not only for gadget.
I didnt want to start this war.
As Chris said, if you think it is not worth, go to desktop and buy all these things separately.
Speaking of Korg and MIDI, would love to see Stephen Kay's KARMA -- like what's in newer Korg Workstations -- ported to iOS. I know it needs tight integration with sounds, which could possibly be handled in something like Gadget and/or alongside Module(s).
I think for me the point is that if I was going to spend that much to get a decent piano sample, I'd spend the higher amount and get it on the desktop. Why? Because I wouldn't use the iPad version outside of at least a 61-key keyboard in the first place - and I don't take those with me on the train. ;-) As it happens I already have some decent piano desktop examples, and so don't have any desire to put it on iOS. It took me a long while to even decide on iGrand - and then I don't really use it on iOS.
Further - I'm not a fan of trying to stuff everything into one application environment. Gadget is nice for what it does but way too constraining to my workflow for me to use normally. My son who produces beats uses it almost exclusively. Kudos. Not my thing - and I don't want to see everything ending up inside it (at least if it's not also available standalone).
Again - I'd extend the cost concerns to other apps too. We have a wonderful set of apps from other companies that do not cost an arm and a leg like Modules does - relatively. Sure - I stumped up for iMS-20 and Animoog at full cost - but I'd argue that they offer such unique places in the whole iOS music ecosystem that they are worth that money. Piano - shmiano. Two-a-penny. Same with iMini - I'd have payed double what it cost. I also payed for Nave and iSEM and iVCS3 at full price - in fact many if not most of the music apps I have full price. :-) Price itself isn't the issue for me - it's relative value.
Now, if Korg had offered an Odyssey clone app for $30 (or Prophecy or Triton) I might have bought it :-)
@MusicInclusive said:
hell yes
I wish for a Korg Kronos app complete with sampler , karma, all nine synth engines, ect ect. They are just not listening to me.
Oh and five dollar cost while we are dreaming.
I'd pay $50 for a Rhodes Chroma app :-)
@ChrisG said:
I agree.....
I've played music professionally since the 60's. I purchase most of these fantastic apps because they are so rediculiously cheap. Back then we musicians paid hundreds if not thousands of dollars to get what today's apps give us. The IOS Apps (synths, effects, multi track recorders, etc.) that I possess today would have literally cost me hundreds of thousands of dollars in the not to distant past.
@KDub said:
Exactly! Korg continues to produce amazing IOS apps. and compared to alternative solutions (past and present) are incredible bargains. Yet we have folks whining because they don't provide new instruments for free??!! I just can't comprehend that type of entitlement mentality. Perhaps those folks need to take some software development courses and create their own apps. or maybe purchase the hardware equivalents or even the desktop software equivalents. I have personally spent thousands of dollars on desktop including $500 for N.I. Komplete, $199 for Komplete Upgrade and over $400 each for Spectrasonics Omnisphere and Stylus. To hear people complain about paying $29-$39 for an apps. that deliver similar capabilities in an ultra-portable form factor is absolutely mind boggling. I just don't get it......
Alchemy doesn't even have full synthesis editing capabilities on iOS, just a player. So to couple a player with Gadget's already limited editing capabilities in their synths, this sounds like one of the fastest ways to getting everyone's music to sound exactly the same that I can think of.
I'd much rather see Gadget implement IAA hosting capabilities.
Been using Ivory in Module and I like it. I needed to adjust the EQ and reverb, which are both right there on the piano. Sounds very nice. I'm going to get some mileage out of this one me thinks
Only time will tell.
Just to switch the argument slightly, could it be that a $40 iPad app is actually the right kind of maximum price to open up the market, and that paying hundreds and hundreds of dollars for VSTs and DAWs on Mac/PC is a racket that has been ripping off consumers for many years? Certainly, before the iPad came along, there was no way that I could afford to make music-making on digital devices a proper hobby of mine. I was priced out of the market - it was too expensive to jump in, when I wasn't sure I would get enough out of it.
I wonder how many people are like me. I fully appreciate that $5 apps with continual free updates may not be a liveable pricing model (unless you get on the Tonight show!), but to me, spending $500 on a piece of software is almost unthinkable and immediately destroys potential mass market appeal. Making music isn't something that should be behind a massive paywall, in my view. It strikes me that the $20 - $40 mark for premier apps is a good compromise.
I agree with that. If we're talking about proper premium apps.
I think Korg have their pricing right.
Camel Audio have advised they have no plans for this by the way...but have passed the suggestion onto the dev team...
i still think its a good idea....i would love to see alchemy's sound packs available in module for download and use in gadget....
...and i think their pricing could attract the premium price as an expansion in module/gadget