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Son wants better piano any recommendations
My son has been complaining that his pianos lack of weighted keys is not ok anymore.
I was looking at Yamaha p-45 and p143.
Any suggestions, or recommendations
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Yamaha Clavinova is a great piano. I use one during my restaurant gigs. The keys are weighted nicely, and it has a nice sound to it.
If you want Yamaha, the P-143 has a lot going for it - however for a little bit more money the Roland FP10 is considered to have a significantly better quality keybed, amongst other benefits.
For a bit more again, the Roland FP-30x offers better speakers, more sounds and, most importantly, USB MIDI and Audio - along with MIDI local control off - which allows it to easily integrate with an iPhone/iPad or Computer to take advantage of DAWs and all the ecosystem on those platforms.
budget and specifications (88 keys, electric, midi etc)?
It's hard to recommend without knowing what prices are acceptable. I tend to think there are plenty of low budget digital pianos that acceptable keybeds, which are what come to mind when I think of a parent buying one for their kid.
I've had two Casios that were fine, many years ago a Casio Privia PX110, and now a Casio CDP-s110. I also had a Roland FP-10 (which I see on Amazon for $499), this does have keys that feel somewhat better, but many people find the action a bit slow and heavy. The Casio keybeds also have good feel and don't present same problems for quick playing. I believe all of the Casio CDP models have same keybed.
The low-end Yamaha hammer action keybeds (like on FP-45 and FP-143) don't feel as piano-like as those on the Casios and Rolands in the same price range. They're fine, though.
Keybeds are quite subjective. I would suggest that if your son is okay with it, and if it feels good "for him", any of the Casio, Roland, Yamaha digital pianos in the low end price range ($500 - $700) are good choices.
My bad, 88 keys but budget. He has only been playing a year. I was thinking no more than 700 hundred. Go figure I have a house full of guitars, bass and drums and he choices piano. What are you going do. I should add he currently has an alesis recital.
Also Casio Privia series give probably the best bang for the buck..In the $800 or so range, check out Kawai
Are you agreeable to a real acoustic piano? Are you in the US?
If so, save your money… There are so many perfectly playable wood, metal & wire pianos available for free these days. I’m in CO on the front range, & I see them listed daily on FB Marketplace. It’s worth looking around if that’s the route you want to go. If you play & confirm condition first, I’m sure you could find something that will last you many years.
How much will it cost to move/deliver the real piano? How often do you need to retune an old, free, piano? I'm guessing that's an expense that's $100 - $200 /year. I'm not sure it ends up being a much better financial route than buying a digital piano. There are different plusses and minuses to both options.
M audio used to be a good choice in the budget range. Now they have the m audio hammer 88.
With your budget you could get Pianoteq stage on iPad as the piano module.
I think Hammer 88 is a good keyboard, but OP should realize that it's not a digital piano. It's a MIDI keyboard and you need to attach it to a computer/iphone/ipad and speakers to have a full system. This adds multiple steps each time you want to turn things on and get sound out. This can add slight bit of psychological barrier to sitting down and hitting keys. Different people have different reactions to this.
The Casios, Yamahas, Rolands all can function with MIDI in exactly the same way as Hammer 88 does (possibly even better because some have built-in BLE Bluetooth MIDI). Plus they have piano sounds and speaker system built-in. It's true that Pianoteq with decent audio system will sound better. But it is nice not to be always tied to external devices, to have a one piece system.
I like my weighted keys for synthesizers. I like having a mod wheel and pitchbend. And a realy big bonus for aftertouch!
This led me to the studiologic Acuna 88 ten years ago.
Roland 30x here.
Cant compare to any other pianos.
Perhaps Id buy a Casio.
All good with Pianoteq and also Harpsichords ( that dont have velocity )
Would use now with synths but use my launchpad x for pads.
THIS
Thanks for all the replies. At least I now have a few options to look at.
I just want to mention between the Yamaha P45 and P143, the 143 is a big step up.
In this price range the Casio Privia series has a great feeling keybed.
My #1 suggestion is to take him to a store and let him try many different keybeds from different manufacturers.
The difference is dramatic imo., and what feels "good" is a very subjective matter!
+1 to rs2000 advice. Hands on playing first would be ideal for deciding.
I play on both the p45 and p145 at assisted living centers. The p145 is the same as a p143 but with 3 pedal support. Between the p45 and p143 I would choose p143, unless you really get a good deal on the p45. The sound is a bit better, the keybed is also a bit more enjoyable I think.