Dahlia Tape Delay by Flora Creative Ltd. (Released)

garden

@wizardjenkins said:
Hello,

I've just pushed out a 1.1 version to the App Store this morning which addresses a few issues with layout and accessibility, and has also provided me the push to remove the em-dashes from the App Store description and also rephrase a lot of it in my own words.

I'm currently working on some changes to the erosion algorithm, and will use that to make a demo video for the App Store listing and website too, which will land in a 1.2 update soon.

Dahlia Tape Delay 1.1:

• New accessible theme available from the settings menu.
• Reduce Motion toggle, honoured by faders and radios.
• Fixed a preset loading bug and a fader indicator lag.
• More reliable breakpoints for compact vs full layout.
• Updated manual.

Oh hey there. Good to see you on the forum for feedback.

Any thoughts on the erosion question? Is its very digital character a deliberate choice? Would you give any thought to, perhaps, a switchable option offering an emulation of analog signal/noise decay? I ask because - aside from maybe pushing the feedback just little harder - it's the one thing that keeps this from getting that classic old scifi tape feedback effect.

Oh, and thank you very much for the legibility tweak.

Squishy

Would love to know more about this “erosion algorithm”. Recently been looking for a delay that degrades each repeat further and further. Have had mixed results attempting to create via a mix bus loop with apps like lo-fi-af thrown in. Is this one of Dahlia Delays capabilities? @wizardjenkins Or maybe someone knows another delay app I’ve overlooked?

tyslothrop1

@Squishy said:
Would love to know more about this “erosion algorithm”. Recently been looking for a delay that degrades each repeat further and further. Have had mixed results attempting to create via a mix bus loop with apps like lo-fi-af thrown in. Is this one of Dahlia Delays capabilities? @wizardjenkins Or maybe someone knows another delay app I’ve overlooked?

The delay rack in Drambo lets you put all Drambo modules or (if Drambo is the host) any Auv3 inside the feedback loop. So perfect for that purpose.

Squishy

@tyslothrop1 said:

@Squishy said:
Would love to know more about this “erosion algorithm”. Recently been looking for a delay that degrades each repeat further and further. Have had mixed results attempting to create via a mix bus loop with apps like lo-fi-af thrown in. Is this one of Dahlia Delays capabilities? @wizardjenkins Or maybe someone knows another delay app I’ve overlooked?

The delay rack in Drambo lets you put all Drambo modules or (if Drambo is the host) any Auv3 inside the feedback loop. So perfect for that purpose.

It sure does, just tried it. Bingo, thanks man 🤙

wizardjenkins

@garden said:

@wizardjenkins said:
Hello,

I've just pushed out a 1.1 version to the App Store this morning which addresses a few issues with layout and accessibility, and has also provided me the push to remove the em-dashes from the App Store description and also rephrase a lot of it in my own words.

I'm currently working on some changes to the erosion algorithm, and will use that to make a demo video for the App Store listing and website too, which will land in a 1.2 update soon.

Dahlia Tape Delay 1.1:

• New accessible theme available from the settings menu.
• Reduce Motion toggle, honoured by faders and radios.
• Fixed a preset loading bug and a fader indicator lag.
• More reliable breakpoints for compact vs full layout.
• Updated manual.

Oh hey there. Good to see you on the forum for feedback.

Any thoughts on the erosion question? Is its very digital character a deliberate choice? Would you give any thought to, perhaps, a switchable option offering an emulation of analog signal/noise decay? I ask because - aside from maybe pushing the feedback just little harder - it's the one thing that keeps this from getting that classic old scifi tape feedback effect.

Oh, and thank you very much for the legibility tweak.

Hey @garden – I shot you an email regarding the erosion stuff a couple days back. Would you be happy if I send you a test flight build to try out some tinkering that I've been doing in that space?

I think the issue is related to the erosion being recirculated, but there's also a bit of compression that might be a bit too aggressive, and I can probably apply a softer saturation and try it out at a different point in the inner loop. Initial experiments sound pretty promising – but would appreciate some external feedback if you're up for it.

garden

@wizardjenkins said:

@garden said:

@wizardjenkins said:
Hello,

I've just pushed out a 1.1 version to the App Store this morning which addresses a few issues with layout and accessibility, and has also provided me the push to remove the em-dashes from the App Store description and also rephrase a lot of it in my own words.

I'm currently working on some changes to the erosion algorithm, and will use that to make a demo video for the App Store listing and website too, which will land in a 1.2 update soon.

Dahlia Tape Delay 1.1:

• New accessible theme available from the settings menu.
• Reduce Motion toggle, honoured by faders and radios.
• Fixed a preset loading bug and a fader indicator lag.
• More reliable breakpoints for compact vs full layout.
• Updated manual.

Oh hey there. Good to see you on the forum for feedback.

Any thoughts on the erosion question? Is its very digital character a deliberate choice? Would you give any thought to, perhaps, a switchable option offering an emulation of analog signal/noise decay? I ask because - aside from maybe pushing the feedback just little harder - it's the one thing that keeps this from getting that classic old scifi tape feedback effect.

Oh, and thank you very much for the legibility tweak.

Hey @garden – I shot you an email regarding the erosion stuff a couple days back. Would you be happy if I send you a test flight build to try out some tinkering that I've been doing in that space?

I think the issue is related to the erosion being recirculated, but there's also a bit of compression that might be a bit too aggressive, and I can probably apply a softer saturation and try it out at a different point in the inner loop. Initial experiments sound pretty promising – but would appreciate some external feedback if you're up for it.

Hi there. It turns out your email got junkmailed. I have no idea why, but I've retrieved it and will respond. Thanks for the heads up.

wizardjenkins

Hey all,

I've found the issue with the erosion algorithm and managed to ship an update this morning. I tuned the whole thing a bit more and added some noise into the recirculation when the erosion parameter is tuned high. I've got a couple more design and legibility tweaks (and a demo video) coming in another release early next week, but didn't wanna wait on that to fix a bug in the feedback filtering, since that's probably higher priority. Anywho, here's the patch notes.

Dahlia Tape Delay 1.2:

• Reworked tape erosion with improved saturation and introduces a small amount of noise
• Erosion now adds tape weight outside the feedback loop to prevent destabilisation.
• Feedback reliably self-oscillates at the top of the range, the maximum is now 115%
• Fixed some aliasing and low frequency rumble in the application of the tape EQ.
• Layout polish and an updated manual.

abf

I bought this because the dev hand-coded it and because of the cranberry color. I'm liking it because it sounds good, is easy to use, and I really enjoy the Gain and Frequency sliders and how they affect the delays.

Krupa

Has anyone tried this on the Mac yet? Compatibility says it works but app description doesn’t mention it…

garden

Guys... guys (and I use the term colloquialy)... he's done it. The update, with the corrected aliasing, increased feedback, and hint of noise injected into the erosion path, gets me closer to what I've been looking for in a digital tape delay emulation than I've ever heard. With the feedback up and the erosion lifted, shifting the gain tilt to the high end gives me Martian death machines. Shift it down, and I get flying saucers.

I love this thing.

Slush

@garden said:
Guys... guys (and I use the term colloquialy)... he's done it. The update, with the corrected aliasing, increased feedback, and hint of noise injected into the erosion path, gets me closer to what I've been looking for in a digital tape delay emulation than I've ever heard. With the feedback up and the erosion lifted, shifting the gain tilt to the high end gives me Martian death machines. Shift it down, and I get flying saucers.

I love this thing.

More realistic than Audiothing Outer Space?

garden

In my opinion, yes. Outer Space is quite good, but it doesn't quite get that sizzling Martian probe thing going.

Gavinski

****> @garden said:

In my opinion, yes. Outer Space is quite good, but it doesn't quite get that sizzling Martian probe thing going.

Sounds good! U have an example by any chance?

Blipsford_Baubie

@Slush said:

@garden said:
Guys... guys (and I use the term colloquialy)... he's done it. The update, with the corrected aliasing, increased feedback, and hint of noise injected into the erosion path, gets me closer to what I've been looking for in a digital tape delay emulation than I've ever heard. With the feedback up and the erosion lifted, shifting the gain tilt to the high end gives me Martian death machines. Shift it down, and I get flying saucers.

I love this thing.

More realistic than Audiothing Outer Space?

I can’t comment as to realism but that reverb on Outerspace, it’s what makes it special, among other things.
And Modnetic, the hold button is what makes it special to me when rigged up to modulation source.
For Dahlia, it has a really nice washed-out sound. I turned the delay and everything else down: feedback, modulation, erosion, flat EQ, and quickly threw the fader from completely dry to 100% wet, you can hear a very subtle coloration. I did notice that the wet signal is louder than the dry signal, so i remedied that with an effect leveler so that i could only hear the tonal difference from dry to wet without the volume difference.
This one is special too.

Squishy

@Blipsford_Baubie said:

And Modnetic, the hold button is what makes it special to me when rigged up to modulation source.

As in, like a feedback runaway button? That’s a feature on a lot of delay/reverb hardware pedals that I’ve always wanted in app form…

I’m looking forward to sound/video examples of Dahlia, it sounds right up my alley (but like many I have LOTS of delays so I can wait to make sure)

Blipsford_Baubie

@Squishy said:

@Blipsford_Baubie said:

And Modnetic, the hold button is what makes it special to me when rigged up to modulation source.

As in, like a feedback runaway button? That’s a feature on a lot of delay/reverb hardware pedals that I’ve always wanted in app form…

I wish i could answer that. I have no experience with pedals. I’d describe it as a static loop buffer with the loop length tied to the delay length. It personally think it sounds annoying on its own, but i have it set up in drambo to behave like more like throwing a fader dub-style.

Squishy

Cheers for the info, sounds unique 🤙 @Blipsford_Baubie

wizardjenkins

@Krupa said:
Has anyone tried this on the Mac yet? Compatibility says it works but app description doesn’t mention it…

Hey Krupa, the iOS and macOS app store pages are separate but the purchase is universal, so buying it through one store front enables download everywhere. I'm an iOS developer by trade, but I primarily produce music in macOS – so although it's primarily designed with touch in mind – the majority of my testing, tweaking and scoping has been on macOS inside Ableton.

@Squishy said:
I’m looking forward to sound/video examples of Dahlia, it sounds right up my alley (but like many I have LOTS of delays so I can wait to make sure)

Hey Squishy – There's a few audio demos available on the website – https://horse-parade.com/dahlia/ I'm in the process of updating them after the 1.2 patch, and also putting together a promo video for the App Store page – although these samples are gonna be quite curated. I'd really, really love to hear what anyone else is creating with Dahlia in the signal chain

Slush

@Blipsford_Baubie @garden Thanks guys.

garden

@Gavinski said:
****> @garden said:

In my opinion, yes. Outer Space is quite good, but it doesn't quite get that sizzling Martian probe thing going.

Sounds good! U have an example by any chance?

I have three small (6mb) files that are still too large to upload here, and Freesound doesn't want to let me create an account. Do you have an email I can use?

filo01

First demo; I hope a more detailed one will be added soon.

filo01

I don't want any more delays, I don't want any more delays... All right, I gave up. After messing around with the guitar for half an hour, I can say I'm more than happy with Dahlia's performance. Thank you, @wizardjenkins!
Do you think it would be possible to add something like an LFO-controlled bandpass filter to the output in the future, with the option to sync it to the host? I could set that up externally, but it would obviously be easier to manage within the app.