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SFM Tutorials: Roland Zenology GX - Is it worth it?

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  • baliwbaliw
    edited May 16

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  • purpan2purpan2

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @purpan2 said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @MonkeyDrummer said:
    It’s unfortunate, but this does seem to be a pretty stellar miss by Roland… (They seem to be missing A LOT lately, over like the last decade or so, and this is from a Roland fanboy that has spent tens of thousands of dollars on Roland gear since I was a kid).

    Roland seems to have some kind of massive issue internally in terms of product management or something… They will release something like the MC707, which is a F’ing beast, but have usability issue that are soooo glaring there’s no way they could have made it through testing, and if they did, you can just image some PM saying constantly (“that’s out of scope” or “that’s not in line with the vision”)

    Take the newish Mood Pad (I know slight thread hijack)… That thing should have kicked ass! Its closest completion is like $3000! But you can tell its usefulness was driven into the ground by a slavish devotion to some PM’s product brief that they refused to bend on chasing a micromarket while sacrificing a potentially HUGE market…

    I think this app is the same. It’s very clear Roland’s overall cloud strategy if a massively jumbled mess that’s confusing as hell and at best consumer hostile. You can see the Roland cloud shackles all over this thing. Fears of cannibalism, trying to fit in between other cloud offerings, etc…

    Look at Korg’s iM1…

    It’s almost perfect in terms of putting a brands synth technology on iPad. And that’s not even considering running it inside Gadget!

    And don’t even get me started on all the insanity of Roland constantly touting it ZEN core technology when pretty much every voice I open in this app or on my MC707 is a pcm-based romper voice… smh…

    The MC707 shines as a dawless hub, but the sounds… meh… Without even the physical hardware, I don’t see why anyone would use this app if you ever have to pay for it…

    Such a sad, missed opportunity from Roland… But that’s been the vibe for like 10-15 years…

    Actually, some excellent points have been raised here. Yeah, Zenology GX does sound a bit dated. As I said in @sfm 's thread on the matter, the PCMs sound like the old iOS Sound Canvas. Not necessarily a bad thing, but I have a lot of those sounds covered by my huge collection of Soundfonts I can use in KQ Sampei and FL Studio Mobile (since FLSM now has a soundfont player).

    We'll see what the upcoming editor will have in terms of shaping sounds, but the more I play with the "shiny new app", the less likely I'm inclined to purchase Sound Canvas Zenology GX outright, especially if it clocks in at above the $50 mark. 🫣 I do apologize to MatthewAtZenbeats, but I was hoping for more than just Sound Canvas sounds. I'm talking sounds from all different Roland romplers and synths with the ability to shape them to my creative will. Like the Roland JV 1080 sounds that were popular in 90s Eurodance music and such.

    It's odd. I have a JV 1080 and many of my favourite sounds from that synth are in this app. I haven't checked them all, of course, but it's very far from being just a repackaged Sound Canvas.

    Really? A handful of my favorite sounds from the JV 1080 seem to be missing from Zenology GX. But, I am curious as to how this app will evolve over time, so I'll be keeping up with this and the other thread about it.

    Just did another quick check on a few randomly selected presets from the JV; most are there, but indeed a few aren't. What's missing, of course, are the Performances.

  • jwmmakerofmusicjwmmakerofmusic

    @purpan2 said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @purpan2 said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @MonkeyDrummer said:
    It’s unfortunate, but this does seem to be a pretty stellar miss by Roland… (They seem to be missing A LOT lately, over like the last decade or so, and this is from a Roland fanboy that has spent tens of thousands of dollars on Roland gear since I was a kid).

    Roland seems to have some kind of massive issue internally in terms of product management or something… They will release something like the MC707, which is a F’ing beast, but have usability issue that are soooo glaring there’s no way they could have made it through testing, and if they did, you can just image some PM saying constantly (“that’s out of scope” or “that’s not in line with the vision”)

    Take the newish Mood Pad (I know slight thread hijack)… That thing should have kicked ass! Its closest completion is like $3000! But you can tell its usefulness was driven into the ground by a slavish devotion to some PM’s product brief that they refused to bend on chasing a micromarket while sacrificing a potentially HUGE market…

    I think this app is the same. It’s very clear Roland’s overall cloud strategy if a massively jumbled mess that’s confusing as hell and at best consumer hostile. You can see the Roland cloud shackles all over this thing. Fears of cannibalism, trying to fit in between other cloud offerings, etc…

    Look at Korg’s iM1…

    It’s almost perfect in terms of putting a brands synth technology on iPad. And that’s not even considering running it inside Gadget!

    And don’t even get me started on all the insanity of Roland constantly touting it ZEN core technology when pretty much every voice I open in this app or on my MC707 is a pcm-based romper voice… smh…

    The MC707 shines as a dawless hub, but the sounds… meh… Without even the physical hardware, I don’t see why anyone would use this app if you ever have to pay for it…

    Such a sad, missed opportunity from Roland… But that’s been the vibe for like 10-15 years…

    Actually, some excellent points have been raised here. Yeah, Zenology GX does sound a bit dated. As I said in @sfm 's thread on the matter, the PCMs sound like the old iOS Sound Canvas. Not necessarily a bad thing, but I have a lot of those sounds covered by my huge collection of Soundfonts I can use in KQ Sampei and FL Studio Mobile (since FLSM now has a soundfont player).

    We'll see what the upcoming editor will have in terms of shaping sounds, but the more I play with the "shiny new app", the less likely I'm inclined to purchase Sound Canvas Zenology GX outright, especially if it clocks in at above the $50 mark. 🫣 I do apologize to MatthewAtZenbeats, but I was hoping for more than just Sound Canvas sounds. I'm talking sounds from all different Roland romplers and synths with the ability to shape them to my creative will. Like the Roland JV 1080 sounds that were popular in 90s Eurodance music and such.

    It's odd. I have a JV 1080 and many of my favourite sounds from that synth are in this app. I haven't checked them all, of course, but it's very far from being just a repackaged Sound Canvas.

    Really? A handful of my favorite sounds from the JV 1080 seem to be missing from Zenology GX. But, I am curious as to how this app will evolve over time, so I'll be keeping up with this and the other thread about it.

    Just did another quick check on a few randomly selected presets from the JV; most are there, but indeed a few aren't. What's missing, of course, are the Performances.

    Ah now I see. One of my favorite 1080 sounds is the particular pizzi sound from "Insomnia" by Faithless. It's not in Zenology GX (yet).

  • sfmsfm

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  • sfmsfm

    @sfm said:
    https://www.patreon.com/posts/mastering-gx-own-158502272?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_creator&utm_content=join_link

    In this video I show how to create a performance / rhythm preset just using LFOs and Partials. Subscribe to my patreon to support the channel.

  • Slam_CutSlam_Cut
    edited May 19

    As I see it, the situation is this:

    Zenology GX: iPad OS PCM-based ROMpler for classic sounds. Good for people who do not have these sounds.
    Zenology Pro: PC & Mac softsynth with lots of editing features.
    GALAXIAS: Roland’s host for softsynths.

    A Key Point: patches created in Zenology Pro can be loaded into Zenology GX if they only use the Zen Core Synthesis. Zenology Pro patches created using Model Expansions (Juno 106, Jupiter-8, JX-8P, etc.) or user samples will not translate to Zenology GX.

    While that’s some degree of hardware/desktop/iOS interoperability, and a somewhat useful plus, I think I would really prefer that Zenology GX would be more like a complete “Zenology Pro Player” within iOS. That would future-proof work and make this combination more viable for me. Maybe in another 5 years…? With MIDI 2.0?

  • Telstar5Telstar5

    @Slam_Cut : It will DEFINITELY NOT include those expansion modules ..

  • sfmsfm

    Is your export working from Zenology GX? Tried it but it is always 0 bytes 😂

  • cyberheatercyberheater

    @Slam_Cut said:
    As I see it, the situation is this:

    Zenology GX: iPad OS PCM-based ROMpler for classic sounds. Good for people who do not have these sounds.
    Zenology Pro: PC & Mac softsynth with lots of editing features.
    GALAXIAS: Roland’s host for softsynths.

    A Key Point: patches created in Zenology Pro can be loaded into Zenology GX if they only use the Zen Core Synthesis. Zenology Pro patches created using Model Expansions (Juno 106, Jupiter-8, JX-8P, etc.) or user samples will not translate to Zenology GX.

    While that’s some degree of hardware/desktop/iOS interoperability, and a somewhat useful plus, I think I would really prefer that Zenology GX would be more like a complete “Zenology Pro Player” within iOS. That would future-proof work and make this combination more viable for me. Maybe in another 5 years…? With MIDI 2.0?

    The iPad version also has virtual analog oscillators, same as the hardware version.

  • zzrwoodzzrwood

    @sfm said:
    Is your export working from Zenology GX? Tried it but it is always 0 bytes 😂

    To quote from Matthew at Roland in another post - You have to save the SVZ file into the ZENOLOGY GX folder in the On My Ipad directory. Zenology GX doesn't have the permissions to save files anywhere yet.

  • sfmsfm

    @zzrwood said:

    @sfm said:
    Is your export working from Zenology GX? Tried it but it is always 0 bytes 😂

    To quote from Matthew at Roland in another post - You have to save the SVZ file into the ZENOLOGY GX folder in the On My Ipad directory. Zenology GX doesn't have the permissions to save files anywhere yet.

    Ok, but it does create a file outside the folder, still 0 for me anyway, even inside the folder :), maybe i found another bug

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