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Ipad Pro M5 vs NI Maschine Mk3 +
I'm kinda flirting with the idea of getting a Maschine, but one part of me says "you don't need it" since I already own an iPad with Beatmaker 3 and dozens of other synths and apps. I sometimes feel the iPad sound or outputs with my audio card ( Arturia Fuse 4), is not as powerful or loud as hardware. I then say this is all is my head and the Machine or MPC are just computers too with direct built on controller pads, so enough of that:) So, does anyone have real experience or ways of comparing them?
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I have used maschine with a pc computer but version one with a mk 1 controller. It was very capable back then. I have not upgraded to version 2 and have a micro controller sitting in my closet. I am currently using the MPC live 3 in stand alone, one of the best work stations I have used. I have not used the new MPC computer program but used version 2. The computer software on either one is very capable with sampling and synthesis. Coming from BM2 you should be able to pick up either one very quickly with a minimal learning curve. To take advantage of the fast work flow with either one you will have to dive in with the hardware controller and build muscle memory and learn which button combos do what. Don’t know if any of this helps.
One thing to consider is that NI WAS purchased by in music, so I don’t know what the future of maschine is going to be like considering that they also own Akai.
Now understand that the plus only had 2 gigs of ram and limited storage options and for a list of gripes and praise you can check out the NI user forums.
Thanks for your insight. I already have an Octatrack, but it's a different entity. I've always thought about the Akai MPC line too, but I've always been confused about which one is best for the price. Maybe the MPC Live 3:)
I do love the MK3 / desktop combo a ton. I used BM3 first, really got into it and then when I got Maschine I could certainly appreciate the similarities and found Maschine to be waaaay more powerful/useful. The NI library is awesome. But of course, part of it is simply multiple monitors, mouse, keyboard etc. Doing everything on just Maschine would be cramped for me.
Can't speak on the standalone though but I will say that when I upgraded my PC the benefit to Maschine was massive (no pun intended) and I would hate to have been locked in as far as processing power goes.
+1. Mk3 and desktop software here too.
The NI sound library, including Kontakt instruments, makes the big difference here, but also having a capable hardware controller that feels like a standalone groovebox.
A lot can be done on an iPad and of course it's much more portable, but they can't really be compared except that both can help you make great music!
If your audio is weak, there's a lot you can do about it, no reason to give up on the iPad.
I only have iPads with built-in headphone jacks and they sound great!
In my production lifetime i’ve gone from MPC 1000 to Logic Pro to iPad using BM3 and then back to MPC using the MPC One. As a standalone device, I think the MPC is the best. You can get away from the computer and utilize the plugins that are a part of the MPC software/hardware and create something from start to finish in it. Works great as a controller with the MPC desktop software or as the MIDI centerpiece to your entire studio. I tried the maschine multiple times throughout its life and felt like the workflow never meshed for me as an MPC guy. Also felt that it was basically a locked down controller that only worked with Maschine software. NI integration is dope but a device that can stand on its own, the maschine fell flat for me so I gave up on that. No telling where the updates may lead to now since they’ve kinda given up on it
Thanks for your experience and help. I may one day go for an MPC. I once owned and used the original Roger Linn Mk2. It was great too.
I'll avoid the Maschine versus MPC versus iPad software debate, but just a comment about feeling like the iPad audio isn't as "loud"... I use both the MiniFuse 2 and the MiniFuse 4 in different setups with my iPad and I have found that the MiniFuse output really seems like a "consumer" line-level signal (-10dBV) rather than a "pro" line-level signal (+4dBu). Note that this doesn't indicate that this hardware is non-professional at all (I love mine and have no problems with them at all) – just that the output signal is somewhat quieter than gear that is design for a +4dBu signal if you are comparing side-by-side. I have no idea if the outputs of Maschine are hotter or not – I was comparing my outputs to a Moog synth that was using +4dBu outputs.
All of my audio inputs are going into a MOTU 828 interface where you can adjust the trim for each input and with this setup you can just adjust your input trim to +12dB for the inputs coming from the MiniFuse and it sounds much better and more balanced compared to any "pro"-signal gear you might be using. Technically, the correct trim adjustment would be +11.78dB for reasons that I won't get into here (that 'V' and 'u' are different). In any case, that could be one reason why the MiniFuse output seems a bit quieter.
Yes, I agree almost all of it, if not all of it, comes from the audio card. I kind of think the IPad is a better choice as it's more 'modular' and the creativity is all up to the user and the needs. I will check out some,e better audio interfaces perhaps. Motion has always been solid.
I have been with Maschine since V1, as well as KK, Kontakt etc, love them all, but would not invest in anything NI in this current financial disaster they are swimming in.
iPad is a bigger broader ever changing ecosystem
I'm back on my MK3 after a hiatus. Had M1 8GB mac mini and it used to hang or crash too often that I couldn't get into the flow. Pretty much iPad only for over a year.
Now I had my eye on a device for over 18 months on the 2nd hand market, that would work perfectly with the MK3. Finally got one for a really good price about 5 weeks ago. I've finally set it all up and I like to call it Maschine 3x (triple x).
That device is the Lenovo Go handheld gaming console. 16G Ram and 2TB. (paid less than the MPC Sample) .
I'm loving it and have fallen back in love with Maschine again.
I call it Mk3x because it's way better than the M+ as I have access to all my VSTs, it's completely portable, battery operated and can be powered by the Anker 737 battery.
And I'm using Bluetooth MIDI to connect my iPad specifically for MIDI FX plugins like Scaler and Condukt etc... A great combo.
The other reason I got it was for my own version of the Arturia Astrolab - access to all instruments with an Arturia midi controller, better value and more powerful.
I forgot to mention it's touchscreen and it's just as good as any iPad.
@dmori
RAD!