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  • NTKKNTKK

    I am taking note and when I will ship the synth on which I am working, I will make sure it contains hundreds of presets :lol:

    Really looking forward to it, Dendy.

    Will it be a new obsidian?

  • dendydendy
    edited June 5

    @NTKK said:
    I am taking note and when I will ship the synth on which I am working, I will make sure it contains hundreds of presets :lol:

    Really looking forward to it, Dendy.

    Will it be a new obsidian?

    This is thread about AudioKIT Pro A5, not about my wild experiments with DSP code capable of burn your CPU to dust :lol:

  • Slam_CutSlam_Cut

    @dendy said:
    I am taking note and when I will ship the synth on which I am working, I will make sure it contains hundreds of presets :lol:

    Mmm. Hundreds….? That’s been done and it’s already so last year. Better make sure it’s thousands of presets. 😁

  • dokwok2dokwok2

    I preordered this, like I did J8, but didn’t get to play with it until this morning. I’ve wanted an iPad P5 for years. (I don’t remember who made the Professor app, but that didn’t count.) I have a Prophet ‘08, and this app sounds like a Prophet to me. (Yes, I know the P5 is different.) I’m not claiming that it’s the greatest emulation, or that it’s perfect. I’m not qualified; and even if I were, it’s too early. All I can say is, I’m having fun; and the sounds are inspiring me to make music — which is what I want from a synth. The standout so far is Moby Pixel’s Saw Pad.

    Thank you, Matt.

    Some people are being rude. It’s helpful to point out bugs; and it’s legitimate to question the app’s accuracy (if you know what you’re talking about, which an early critic here did not). But you don’t have to be unpleasant. In my opinion, anonymity has a bad effect on many people’s behavior; and we’re seeing that on this thread.

    If you’ve been following Matt’s work for any length of time, you can see where the money is going: to music education. He’s not getting rich. I’m not saying that to excuse anything. But he’s a person; and people get discouraged when you dump on them like a couple people have dumped here.

    If you like music apps; if you want more of them; if you want the ones we have to be improved: be polite. It’s ok to criticize and debate. You don’t have to fawn or exaggerate. But be polite, and don’t spoil it for the rest of us by being a jerk.

  • AudioGusAudioGus

    @dendy said:

    @AudioGus said:
    Hmmm, lots of good points here. Consider myself schooled... BUT 400+ presets for 5$, whoot whoot whoot!!

    I am taking note and when I will ship the synth on which I am working, I will make sure it contains hundreds of presets :lol:

    Sweeeet, looking forward to it! :)

  • BeatsMeBeatsMe

    @AnalogMatthew

    A couple of bugs I haven't seen mentioned yet:

    1. Basic oscillator sync isn't working at all in the simplest case, where you manually adjust the pitch of Osc A. To hear this, set Osc A and Osc B to the same pitch, both sawtooth waves, and turn on Osc A's Sync button. Turn off all modulation: Wheel Mod, LFO 2, LFO 3, and Poly Mod. In the mixer, turn the level of Osc A all the way up and Osc B, Sub, and Noise all the way down. Set the filter cutoff to maximum and resonance to minimum. Now hold a note and manually raise the pitch of Osc A by turning its Freq knob. Since Sync is on, you should hear a change in harmonic content but not a change in the fundamental pitch. The problem is that you do hear the fundamental pitch change, but no timbral change. Turning Sync on and off does not make any difference, but it certainly should.

    2. If you instead raise the pitch of Osc A by using Poly Mod from the filter envelope (sustain at max.), oscillator sync does have an effect. But this exposes a second bug: adjusting the Filter Env knob in the Poly Mod section produces stepped changes rather than smooth ones. That's wrong - the effect of adjusting the Poly Mod Filter Env value should be smooth. (As someone has pointed out, you do (correctly) get semitone stepping in manual tuning of the oscillators and filter cutoff, just as with the hardware. But the Poly Mod adjustment should be smooth.)

    My reference is a Prophet-10 Rev 4.

  • MobyPixelMobyPixel

    @dokwok2 said:
    The standout so far is Moby Pixel’s Saw Pad.

    Some people are being rude.

    Thanks! And I agree with your assessment 100%.

    I hope people listen to the demos, and can decide for themselves if the synth is a good fit for their music or not. :)

  • catboxcatbox

    @dokwok2 said:

    Some people are being rude. It’s helpful to point out bugs; and it’s legitimate to question the app’s accuracy (if you know what you’re talking about, which an early critic here did not). But you don’t have to be unpleasant. In my opinion, anonymity has a bad effect on many people’s behavior; and we’re seeing that on this thread.

    If you’ve been following Matt’s work for any length of time, you can see where the money is going: to music education. He’s not getting rich. I’m not saying that to excuse anything. But he’s a person; and people get discouraged when you dump on them like a couple people have dumped here.

    If you like music apps; if you want more of them; if you want the ones we have to be improved: be polite. It’s ok to criticize and debate. You don’t have to fawn or exaggerate. But be polite, and don’t spoil it for the rest of us by being a jerk.

    Thanks for writing this, I couldn’t agree more.

  • sdesignsdesign

    @BeatsMe said:
    @AnalogMatthew

    A couple of bugs I haven't seen mentioned yet:

    1. Basic oscillator sync isn't working at all in the simplest case, where you manually adjust the pitch of Osc A. To hear this, set Osc A and Osc B to the same pitch, both sawtooth waves, and turn on Osc A's Sync button. Turn off all modulation: Wheel Mod, LFO 2, LFO 3, and Poly Mod. In the mixer, turn the level of Osc A all the way up and Osc B, Sub, and Noise all the way down. Set the filter cutoff to maximum and resonance to minimum. Now hold a note and manually raise the pitch of Osc A by turning its Freq knob. Since Sync is on, you should hear a change in harmonic content but not a change in the fundamental pitch. The problem is that you do hear the fundamental pitch change, but no timbral change. Turning Sync on and off does not make any difference, but it certainly should.

    Yes you’re correct, OSC Sync doesn’t work as expected. It’s the same behaviour with the J8 Synth unfortunately and it seems that’s been out for a while.

  • anicktanickt

    @sdesign said:

    @BeatsMe said:
    @AnalogMatthew

    A couple of bugs I haven't seen mentioned yet:

    1. Basic oscillator sync isn't working at all in the simplest case, where you manually adjust the pitch of Osc A. To hear this, set Osc A and Osc B to the same pitch, both sawtooth waves, and turn on Osc A's Sync button. Turn off all modulation: Wheel Mod, LFO 2, LFO 3, and Poly Mod. In the mixer, turn the level of Osc A all the way up and Osc B, Sub, and Noise all the way down. Set the filter cutoff to maximum and resonance to minimum. Now hold a note and manually raise the pitch of Osc A by turning its Freq knob. Since Sync is on, you should hear a change in harmonic content but not a change in the fundamental pitch. The problem is that you do hear the fundamental pitch change, but no timbral change. Turning Sync on and off does not make any difference, but it certainly should.

    Yes you’re correct, OSC Sync doesn’t work as expected. It’s the same behaviour with the J8 Synth unfortunately and it seems that’s been out for a while.

    Analog reality. @analog_matt forgot to solder in the sync switch. 😎✌🏼

  • DePingusDePingus
    edited June 5

    The new synth sound great. But I'm getting a click / pop sound when I turn the Amp Release too high.

    Steps to reproduce:

    • Init patch
    • Amp Release 75%
    • Filter Cutoff 50% (so you can hear the click)
    • Play some chords fast enough to overlap

    The click is there even if I turn the Amp Attack up to 50%. It doesn't happen every time. It feels like it happens when new notes I play overlap with previous notes that are still in their release phase.

    I'm on a A16 iPad still running OS 18.7.7. I restarted the iPad. Tested in both LoopyPro, AUM, and stand alone. I'm not getting the click with J8.

  • wimwim

    @DePingus said:
    The new synth sound great. But I'm getting a click / pop sound when I turn the Amp Release too high.

    Steps to reproduce:

    • Init patch
    • Amp Release 75%
    • Filter Cutoff 50% (so you can hear the click)
    • Play some chords fast enough to overlap

    The click is there even if I turn the Amp Attack up to 50%. It doesn't happen every time. It feels like it happens when new notes I play overlap with previous notes that are still in their release phase.

    I'm on a A16 iPad still running OS 18.7.7. I restarted the iPad. Tested in both LoopyPro, AUM, and stand alone. I'm not getting the click with J8.

    Maybe not relevant, but ...

    https://forum.loopypro.com/discussion/comment/1475820/#Comment_1475820

  • JohnnyGoodyearJohnnyGoodyear

    @catbox said:

    @dokwok2 said:

    Some people are being rude. It’s helpful to point out bugs; and it’s legitimate to question the app’s accuracy (if you know what you’re talking about, which an early critic here did not). But you don’t have to be unpleasant. In my opinion, anonymity has a bad effect on many people’s behavior; and we’re seeing that on this thread.

    If you’ve been following Matt’s work for any length of time, you can see where the money is going: to music education. He’s not getting rich. I’m not saying that to excuse anything. But he’s a person; and people get discouraged when you dump on them like a couple people have dumped here.

    If you like music apps; if you want more of them; if you want the ones we have to be improved: be polite. It’s ok to criticize and debate. You don’t have to fawn or exaggerate. But be polite, and don’t spoil it for the rest of us by being a jerk.

    Thanks for writing this, I couldn’t agree more.

    Add me on.

  • anicktanickt

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @catbox said:

    @dokwok2 said:

    Some people are being rude. It’s helpful to point out bugs; and it’s legitimate to question the app’s accuracy (if you know what you’re talking about, which an early critic here did not). But you don’t have to be unpleasant. In my opinion, anonymity has a bad effect on many people’s behavior; and we’re seeing that on this thread.

    If you’ve been following Matt’s work for any length of time, you can see where the money is going: to music education. He’s not getting rich. I’m not saying that to excuse anything. But he’s a person; and people get discouraged when you dump on them like a couple people have dumped here.

    If you like music apps; if you want more of them; if you want the ones we have to be improved: be polite. It’s ok to criticize and debate. You don’t have to fawn or exaggerate. But be polite, and don’t spoil it for the rest of us by being a jerk.

    Thanks for writing this, I couldn’t agree more.

    Add me on.

    I'm with you 😎✌🏼

  • DePingusDePingus

    @wim said:

    @DePingus said:
    The new synth sound great. But I'm getting a click / pop sound when I turn the Amp Release too high.

    Steps to reproduce:

    • Init patch
    • Amp Release 75%
    • Filter Cutoff 50% (so you can hear the click)
    • Play some chords fast enough to overlap

    The click is there even if I turn the Amp Attack up to 50%. It doesn't happen every time. It feels like it happens when new notes I play overlap with previous notes that are still in their release phase.

    I'm on a A16 iPad still running OS 18.7.7. I restarted the iPad. Tested in both LoopyPro, AUM, and stand alone. I'm not getting the click with J8.

    Maybe not relevant, but ...

    https://forum.loopypro.com/discussion/comment/1475820/#Comment_1475820

    Thanks for the suggestion. I thought of that, so I turned up the amp attack, but the click still happens.

  • ButterfrogButterfrog
    edited June 6

    @dokwok2 said:

    I preordered this, like I did J8, but didn’t get to play with it until this morning. I’ve wanted an iPad P5 for years. (I don’t remember who made the Professor app, but that didn’t count.) I have a Prophet ‘08, and this app sounds like a Prophet to me. (Yes, I know the P5 is different.) I’m not claiming that it’s the greatest emulation, or that it’s perfect. I’m not qualified; and even if I were, it’s too early. All I can say is, I’m having fun; and the sounds are inspiring me to make music — which is what I want from a synth. The standout so far is Moby Pixel’s Saw Pad.

    Thank you, Matt.

    Some people are being rude. It’s helpful to point out bugs; and it’s legitimate to question the app’s accuracy (if you know what you’re talking about, which an early critic here did not). But you don’t have to be unpleasant. In my opinion, anonymity has a bad effect on many people’s behavior; and we’re seeing that on this thread.

    If you’ve been following Matt’s work for any length of time, you can see where the money is going: to music education. He’s not getting rich. I’m not saying that to excuse anything. But he’s a person; and people get discouraged when you dump on them like a couple people have dumped here.

    If you like music apps; if you want more of them; if you want the ones we have to be improved: be polite. It’s ok to criticize and debate. You don’t have to fawn or exaggerate. But be polite, and don’t spoil it for the rest of us by being a jerk.

    Well said!

  • cyberheatercyberheater

    I have all three Prophet 5 big hitters on desktop (Arturia, Softube and UHe) and used to play a P5 back in the day and this definitely has that character to me.
    It’s quite awesome to have this on iOS.

  • SlushSlush

    I had a bit of a negative start, but personally I love tweaking this thing. I get all sorts of very interesting stuff for my Techno pleasures B)

  • MadGavMadGav

    @DePingus said:
    The new synth sound great. But I'm getting a click / pop sound when I turn the Amp Release too high.

    Steps to reproduce:

    • Init patch
    • Amp Release 75%
    • Filter Cutoff 50% (so you can hear the click)
    • Play some chords fast enough to overlap

    The click is there even if I turn the Amp Attack up to 50%. It doesn't happen every time. It feels like it happens when new notes I play overlap with previous notes that are still in their release phase.

    I'm on a A16 iPad still running OS 18.7.7. I restarted the iPad. Tested in both LoopyPro, AUM, and stand alone. I'm not getting the click with J8.

    Makes me think that the voice-stealing behaviour may not be “analogue” in style. That would mean envelopes switching into the attack stage but not resetting the current value (do not pass go, do not collect £200).

    ( @AnalogMatthew if you ever feel you could do with discussing analogue synth modulation behaviour feel free to message me, I implemented it for VSTs somewhen back in the previous millennium, though not touched for a decade or so. I can vaguely read schematics to derive original behaviour.)

  • eylvyeylvy

  • sdesignsdesign

    Another bug… It seems you can still play chords in mono mode. Diads at least.

  • gregsmithgregsmith

    @sdesign said:
    Another bug… It seems you can still play chords in mono mode. Diads at least.

    I’m not getting that. Init patch, turn on mono, play 2 notes, only 1 note sounds on mine. Same with legato on or off. Didn’t test any further.

  • dendydendy
    edited June 6

    @MadGav said:
    Makes me think that the voice-stealing behaviour may not be “analogue” in style. That would mean envelopes switching into the attack stage but not resetting the current value (do not pass go, do not collect £200).

    isn't this super easy to solve by allocating few hidden "dying voices" with small size fade out ? Then you just send the voices which should "die" there to fade them out quickly ?

    To be precise, my synth allocates 8 "dying voices" - if you get voice stealing it shifts stolen voice into that "dying voices pool" and applies 6ms fade using vDSP_vrampmuladd on it (so it is really cheap on CPU).. in genral i use on all Gain, pan, level, the dying fade vDSP_vramp* to avoid clicks .. works like a charm

  • MadGavMadGav

    @dendy said:

    @MadGav said:
    Makes me think that the voice-stealing behaviour may not be “analogue” in style. That would mean envelopes switching into the attack stage but not resetting the current value (do not pass go, do not collect £200).

    isn't this super easy to solve by allocating few hidden "dying voices" with small size fade out ? Then you just send the voices which should "die" there to fade them out quickly ?

    To be precise, my synth allocates 8 "dying voices" - if you get voice stealing it shifts stolen voice into that "dying voices pool" and applies 6ms fade using vDSP_vrampmuladd on it .. in genral i use on all Gain, pan, level, the dying fade vDSP_vramp* to avoid clicks .. works like a charm

    No, because an actual analogue only has a small fixed number of voices, so doesn’t behave how you’d implement in digital. Which produces a different result.

  • dendydendy
    edited June 6

    @MadGav said:
    No, because an actual analogue only has a small fixed number of voices, so doesn’t behave how you’d implement in digital. Which produces a different result.

    Ah yes, you are true.

    I always preffered emulations which emulates oscillators, filters (epecially drive on highreson), a bit of randomness on VCA, filter, tunning of ocillators - but skip the "bad" part of analogs like clicks on evnelopes, noise, too much detuning and so on. Why intentionally broke plugins ? Best from both worlds is the way imho. But that's just me.

  • Slam_CutSlam_Cut

    +1 for “emulations” improving upon the old hardware.

  • wimwim
    edited June 6

    Yeah, lets get all those pesky drifting oscillators, nasty self-oscillating filters, imperfect key tracking, unstable power supplies, and non mathematical responding envelopes outta here! Start coding those kinds of things in there and the next thing you'll see is ... distorting guitar amps, all that crap like tape degradation, vinyl scratching, console saturation ... it will never end.

    Character deserves to be firmly buried in the past.

  • heshes
    edited 12:51AM

    @wim said:
    Yeah, lets get all those pesky drifting oscillators, nasty self-oscillating filters, imperfect key tracking, unstable power supplies, and non mathematical responding envelopes outta here! Start coding those kinds of things in there and the next thing you'll see is ... distorting guitar amps, all that crap like tape degradation, vinyl scratching, console saturation ... it will never end.

    Character deserves to be firmly buried in the past.

    I get the sarcasm. But I don't understand why @dendy's "Best from both worlds is the way imho." isn't the way to go: Preserve the character but avoid replicating the actually bad parts.

    I mean, doesn't Pro A5 actually improve on the A5 by offering ten voices? Is anyone going to boycott the Pro A5 because of that improvement? Doesn't the Pro A5 also add option of a "modern smooth filter"? And effects that weren't in original?. . .

    I could be wrong, but don't most of the acknowledged best VA synths achieve character without the actually bad parts? Or, at least provide the option of avoiding or tweaking the possibly "bad" parts? E.g., don't most VA synths allow you to adjust the amount of oscillator drift that will be applied?

    In particular, is there some confusion regarding the filter issue @dendy highlights in the Pro A5? Is the undesired behavior with high resonance in Pro A5 a result of accurately emulating the A5? Or is it a defect, with the stepping of an actual A5 being different?

  • heshes
    edited June 6

    [deleted duplicate post]

  • wimwim
    edited 1:06AM

    Not exactly sarcasm @hes. More like (attempted) light hearted irony, but with a tiny bit of truth tucked away in it.

    I mean, if someone sets out for nostalgic purposes to make a lovingly accurate representation of something idiosyncratic, there's nothing wrong with that. If someone sets out to make a recreation inspired by an original, but improving on the original's shortcomings, that's great too. We're all free to like or dislike the results for our own reasons.

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