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Mini Moogs for less then £100. Behringer D Mini

cyberheatercyberheater
edited June 10 in Hardware

Sounds absolutely fantastic. I’m going to get me one of these.

Comments

  • BiancaNeveBiancaNeve

    Does sound nice, still don’t quite see how they get away with such a blatant copy.

  • cyberheatercyberheater

    @BiancaNeve said:
    Does sound nice, still don’t quite see how they get away with such a blatant copy.

    There are millions of guitars that look like Fenders or Gibson’s and no one bats an eye lid.

  • PxlhgPxlhg

    @cyberheater said:

    @BiancaNeve said:
    Does sound nice, still don’t quite see how they get away with such a blatant copy.

    There are millions of guitars that look like Fenders or Gibson’s and no one bats an eye lid.

    Fender is suing left and right at the moment (new CEO might be a reason) so, not entirely correct.

  • colonel_mustardcolonel_mustard

    @Pxlhg said:

    @cyberheater said:

    @BiancaNeve said:
    Does sound nice, still don’t quite see how they get away with such a blatant copy.

    There are millions of guitars that look like Fenders or Gibson’s and no one bats an eye lid.

    Fender is suing left and right at the moment (new CEO might be a reason) so, not entirely correct.

    wow. i knew there were "lawsuit" guitars back in the day (tokais and such - some of them are meant to be very good) but yes, strats and teles abound (and les pauls - gibson must be watching this closely). let's see how it goes.

    personally, i like that various pieces of unobtainium have been put within reach of the everyman, but i have a problem with the mass-production and heavy marketing of clones of new and in-production gear, which hasn't yet recouped its r&d costs. the dfams, mother-32s and grandmothers etc. that feels more predatory - like they're stealing moog's ip and customers to profit in their stead, rather than paying tribute to a company that they respect, and pleasing its fans with cheap copies (as here).

  • Edward_AlexanderEdward_Alexander

    @Pxlhg said:

    @cyberheater said:

    @BiancaNeve said:
    Does sound nice, still don’t quite see how they get away with such a blatant copy.

    There are millions of guitars that look like Fenders or Gibson’s and no one bats an eye lid.

    Fender is suing left and right at the moment (new CEO might be a reason) so, not entirely correct.

    Yeah, this Fender thing is crazy. Asking all those guitar builders to cease and desist, and destroy their inventory. It'll be interesting to see where this all goes a few years from now.

  • cyberheatercyberheater

    @Pxlhg said:

    @cyberheater said:

    @BiancaNeve said:
    Does sound nice, still don’t quite see how they get away with such a blatant copy.

    There are millions of guitars that look like Fenders or Gibson’s and no one bats an eye lid.

    Fender is suing left and right at the moment (new CEO might be a reason) so, not entirely correct.

    Wow. Did not know that. Seems like madness to me.

  • PxlhgPxlhg

    @cyberheater said:

    @Pxlhg said:

    @cyberheater said:

    @BiancaNeve said:
    Does sound nice, still don’t quite see how they get away with such a blatant copy.

    There are millions of guitars that look like Fenders or Gibson’s and no one bats an eye lid.

    Fender is suing left and right at the moment (new CEO might be a reason) so, not entirely correct.

    Wow. Did not know that. Seems like madness to me.

    You're not alone in thinking so, a lot of angry youtubers e.g Rick Beato:

  • amarokamarok

    @Edward_Alexander said:

    Yeah, this Fender thing is crazy. Asking all those guitar builders to cease and desist, and destroy their inventory. It'll be interesting to see where this all goes a few years from now.

    Lawyers sending Cease & Desist letters and demanding product destruction is hardly what I would call ‘asking’.
    But in any case, I seriously doubt PRS for example is going to pay any attention. The guitars they make are far superior to what Fender is producing. Leo Fender never copyrighted the Strat design in the US, so Fender don’t have much argument to stand on. I don’t think we will need to wait long to see what will happen.

  • bigcatrikbigcatrik

    There are limitations, but I would have been all over this 25 years ago.

    That they include a full-size MIDI port is kind of mind boggling but the lack of a 1/4" output bothers me and makes me question its actual usefulness. The USB connection is for power and MIDI, not audio.

    Is a 1/8" headphone jack really a "pro" connection nowadays?

    Quickstart PDF: https://cdn-media.empowertribe.com/2383dfeba762497d820d2940fb8ce0c8/QSG_BE_0722-AAW_D-MINI.pdf

    Product page: https://www.behringer.com/en/products/0722-AAW

  • pedropedro
    edited June 10

    Didn't know about this whole drama. Pretty interesting

    I mean about the fender thing, the thread got derailed

  • heshes
    edited June 10

    @amarok said:

    @Edward_Alexander said:

    Yeah, this Fender thing is crazy. Asking all those guitar builders to cease and desist, and destroy their inventory. It'll be interesting to see where this all goes a few years from now.

    Lawyers sending Cease & Desist letters and demanding product destruction is hardly what I would call ‘asking’.
    But in any case, I seriously doubt PRS for example is going to pay any attention. The guitars they make are far superior to what Fender is producing. Leo Fender never copyrighted the Strat design in the US, so Fender don’t have much argument to stand on. I don’t think we will need to wait long to see what will happen.

    Copyright isn't something that would apply to the visual appearance of a product. "Trade dress" violation seems the more likely legal claim. And, at least in the U.S., there is no requirement to register in order to have trade dress protection (nor is registration required to have copyright protection, for that matter).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_dress

  • PoppadocrockPoppadocrock

    I saw that video yesterday and thought i might finally get some hardware.

  • cyberheatercyberheater

    @Pxlhg said:

    @cyberheater said:

    @Pxlhg said:

    @cyberheater said:

    @BiancaNeve said:
    Does sound nice, still don’t quite see how they get away with such a blatant copy.

    There are millions of guitars that look like Fenders or Gibson’s and no one bats an eye lid.

    Fender is suing left and right at the moment (new CEO might be a reason) so, not entirely correct.

    Wow. Did not know that. Seems like madness to me.

    You're not alone in thinking so, a lot of angry youtubers e.g Rick Beato:

    Thanks for the video. I hope Fender lose this.

  • cyberheatercyberheater

    @bigcatrik said:
    There are limitations, but I would have been all over this 25 years ago.

    Is a 1/8" headphone jack really a "pro" connection nowadays?

    No it’s not. I’d been thinking to change the socket to 1/4 inch.

  • robosardinerobosardine

    Sounds great - I hope this means the Hirotrbe is arriving soon as well.

  • McDMcD
    edited 2:48AM

    I had to research this one:

    @robosardine said:
    Sounds great - I hope this means the Hirotrbe is arriving soon as well.

    Hirotrbe?

    The Hirotribe is heavily inspired by the cult-classic Korg Monotribe, a palm-sized analog ribbon released back in 2011.

    The "Hiro" in Hirotribe stands for Hiroaki Nishijima, the legendary engineer who originally designed the iconic Korg MS-20 filter circuits and the Monotribe. Nishijima eventually joined Behringer with the mission to develop a new generation of Japanese-style synthesizers.

    He explicitly stated that the Hirotribe is the evolved, fully-realized version of the Monotribe that he always wanted to build but couldn't pull off at the time.

  • DMfanDMfan

    Waiting for a mini Pro-One, that would be an instabuy for me. Moog’s own Model D here on iOS cover my needs already.

    /DMfan🇸🇪

  • vlaad3vlaad3

    I dont know, nothing wrong with making clones, but Behringer's questionable ethics, shameless copying without any respect for the original creators, made me avoid their products in a wide circle.

  • colonel_mustardcolonel_mustard

    @McD said:
    I had to research this one:

    @robosardine said:
    Sounds great - I hope this means the Hirotrbe is arriving soon as well.

    Hirotrbe?

    The Hirotribe is heavily inspired by the cult-classic Korg Monotribe, a palm-sized analog ribbon released back in 2011.

    The "Hiro" in Hirotribe stands for Hiroaki Nishijima, the legendary engineer who originally designed the iconic Korg MS-20 filter circuits and the Monotribe. Nishijima eventually joined Behringer with the mission to develop a new generation of Japanese-style synthesizers.

    He explicitly stated that the Hirotribe is the evolved, fully-realized version of the Monotribe that he always wanted to build but couldn't pull off at the time.

    to realise a synth legend's passion project at scale, making it affordable and widely-available is hard to argue with.

    i don't touch zuckerberg's anything but this came up when i searched:

    dang semiconductors.

  • Edward_AlexanderEdward_Alexander

    @amarok said:

    @Edward_Alexander said:

    Yeah, this Fender thing is crazy. Asking all those guitar builders to cease and desist, and destroy their inventory. It'll be interesting to see where this all goes a few years from now.

    Lawyers sending Cease & Desist letters and demanding product destruction is hardly what I would call ‘asking’.
    But in any case, I seriously doubt PRS for example is going to pay any attention. The guitars they make are far superior to what Fender is producing. Leo Fender never copyrighted the Strat design in the US, so Fender don’t have much argument to stand on. I don’t think we will need to wait long to see what will happen.

    Right. "Demanding" is what I should have said. Thanks.

  • cyberheatercyberheater

    @vlaad3 said:
    I dont know, nothing wrong with making clones, but Behringer's questionable ethics, shameless copying without any respect for the original creators, made me avoid their products in a wide circle.

    Behringer does occasionally work with the original creators on their clones. An example is Behringer partnered directly with Vladimir Kuzmin, the original designer of the legendary Soviet-era Polivoks synthesizer, to develop and release a new, modern analog.
    Apparently they also got consent from Tom Oberheim on the UB-Xa.

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