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iOS synths that best emulate the classic Rolands?
I'm currently working on a cover of a song that I'm fairly certain was done with the MC-202 ("Slip", by Autechre). I started off using my Alpha Juno which certainly has that Roland sound (but is still a bit tedious to edit, even with the iPad editors I have), but am currently using Animoog for it, and it got my thinking about maybe using a different iOS app to better nail the sound, as Animoog still sounds very Moogy. What apps have you found that do a good job at getting that 101 or 303 sound (or if we're really getting adventurous the Juno/Jupiter)?
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Try Epic Synth ... Its somewhere in between I find.
Epic Synth has the looks but not the sound, particularly it lacks the chorus that made the Juno what it was. I personally liked the sounds of the synths in Caustic.
NanoStudio has some extra presets. Let me check it out when back home.
I'd love to see TAL-U-NO-LX V2 on iOS, it really is a beautiful model of the Juno 60 (especially the chorus!)...
The sound is key. I think the key thing with the old Rolands is in the oscillators, maybe followed by the chorus (at least for the Juno's). I've got a Roland RSP-550 which does a fantastic job of emulating the classic Roland chorus sounds (Dimension D/Juno-esque) despite being digital (and I recommend it heavily for anyone who uses anything beyond the iPad for making music...for the $50-80 they sell for, it's a no-brainer), so I can always run a sound through that if I need to, but the oscillators have a certain je ne sais quoi that seems harder to recreate.
At least in this case tho, I'm really interested in apps that can nail that classic Roland monosynth sound, tho I'm also certainly interested in apps that can touch on the classic polys.
You could try Magellan. It has quite a 90's sound to it.
For 303 on iPad, I guess Rebirth or BassLine would be your best bet.
@busker said:
I contacted the developer for quite some time ago and got a reply few days after.
At that moment He had no plans to do an iOS Port of his products.
If someone doesn't know about this 'Plug-In' it's now good time to check them out
http://kunz.corrupt.ch/products/tal-u-no-lx
I also reared Him to this forum...
Maybe if more people ash Him directly it might happen?
http://kunz.corrupt.ch/support/index
Sunrizer synth has the 'super saw' sound, and apparently is modelled on the Roland JP-8000
^^this
What busker said in regards to the 303, also another app called technobox had a nice sounding 303 and 909, there is a second version, first is gone, haven't tried it, but liked the first, hasn't been updated since 2013 though, also rhythm studio had a 303 and 909 I think, maybe an 808 and a few other synths.
Rhythm Studio has great classic sounds. I've asked them if they would make a emulation of Roland MC 909 machine clone. They said they would love to, but unfortunately, they would not, because of copyright sounds of the 909. Just think, a complete exact version of a MC 909 Groovebox in the palm of your hand? Mmmmmmmm.... I even asked Roland themselves, but to no avail. :-(
Slight update: Magellan is getting me in the ballpark, but really not quite into that 101 territory. Sunrizer is too close to that trancey 800/990 sound to quite do what I want.
I've spent precious little time with either synth tho. Of the two, Magellan seems to fall a little closer to that classic Roland mono sound, tho still more complex and digital for this purpose. Still looking for something that gets that 101 sound, if it exists in iOS.
Is virsyn's Tera a contender? Enormous flexibility, but should be able to trim down to the basic 101/202 parameters you'd be dealing with.
Thor would be a good one for doing Juno type sounds. I have a JX8P and I think Thor is in the ballpark.
Regarding classic,analog Roland sound i found you can come closest with Sunrizer.Even nice string machine sounds are possible.Thor and Tera is probably also not bad for this because of the sheer flexibility and nice "analogish" sound.Magellan,Caustic or Epic synth doens't sound like Roland at all.
I know it's not iOS, but:
If there's a certain sound you can't live without and can't get on iOS, you could sample the TAL U-NO-LX and convert the samples to a soundfont (hint try Extreme Sample Converter, it's easy and painless).
Sampling the u no lx doesn't cut the cake, because u can't play with the filter anymore ...
@lala said:
True but sometimes you don't need to play with the filters once you get a good sound dialed in.
I guess it depends on what you're after. I always want to play with the sound.
If I just sample some strings or something I get bored pretty quick.
I've been asking the same question for a little over a year. As bixnood says, Epic has the looks of a Juno 60 but not the sound. A decent Juno for iPad (anything from 6 to Alpha) would be an instant buy for me. Same for any species of 80s Jupiter. It's a pity the TAL UN-O-LX developer isn't interested.
Beepstreet, who makes Sunrizer, has been doing some great analogue modeling for a new monosynth, and last week he posted a preliminary sample of some BBD chorus modeling: https://soundcloud.com/jarek-j. I'm excited to see where that goes.
We DO have good 303 models, but for SH-101 sounds I'm drawing another blank. (Again, if anyone comes up with a credible model for iPad I'll buy it the first day out.) The pretty blips in that Autechre song are short enough that you could probably get close with a number of synths: I would start with iSEM and, even though it's FM not subtractive, the new FM4. The latter has a surprising amount of grit and character.
On the hardware side, you might also look at the Novation Bass Station II. The Microbrute (which I quite like) can do some SH-101ey things, but the Novation filter is closer.
@dokwok: the BSII is my next hardware purchase for sure. The more I'm working on this, the more I just wish I had one on hand now, as it's very 101-esque. I've been trying to program that sound on my Alpha Juno this evening, but the filter is different and the envelopes are a bit tricky-it would be easier to dial in with a more traditional ADSR. It's coming closer than anything I've programmed on the iPad tho.
I'll give iSEM and FM4 a go tho. Both good suggestions that seem well suited for the job. I was planning to use my TX81Z for that light pad sound in the track, but FM4 might also be a good option for that bit.
If you want a 'real' analog sound then BSII is the way to go. You're never going to get that sound in software.
@pichi-yeah, I realize that, hence why I've gone back to trying to program the sound on the Alpha Juno, as it's the only analog synth I have at my disposal. I started considering iPad apps mostly because it would be handy to have something where I could use CCs from my sequencer for some of the filter modulations, as the AJ is all sysex. I'll probably get a BSII in the next month or so, so in the worst case I may just work with what I have now and re-record the track after I have it.
I think as far as the 101 sound goes most iOS subtractive synths can get the basic gist of it. I like the sound of the 101 too, and wish I had one. I noticed that basic sounds like these
can be more or less achieved easily in Magellan. Here are a few patches for Magellan with that simple saw tone. I think there are also some others in my preset packages in Magellan that come close.
I respectfully disagree with pichi. I like the BSII -- think it's the best all-around analogue in its price range -- but the sounds we're talking about here ARE accessible through software. Real analogue is often the easiest path to getting "real" analogue sound, it's fun, and it can sound magic. But there's a lot to be said for an instrument that you can carry around the house with you, on a trip, etc. Cf. the photog's dictum: the best camera is the camera you actually have with you. This summer I spent a week on the Outer Banks, and took only my iPad, some cheap speakers, and a MIDI controller. I used one app, Gadget, and finished four tracks that I had started earlier in the year. Are the tracks immortal? No, but they weren't even mortal until I finished the arrangements and put them on Soundcloud. If Gadget could send MIDI, I would have preferred to rerecord some of the parts with analogue hardware. But it doesn't, and I'm not sure the songs warrant that kind of treatment.
Consider this, too: the world doesn't need an exact clone of this song. Using your Alpha -- a wonderful instrument -- instead of a real SH-101 is a way to liberate the tune.