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Wilsonic App
The Wilsonic app uses some of the scale systems developed by Erv Wilson and you can export these scales to apps like ThumbJam or ScaleGen and from there to Gestrument for controlling your synths.
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Fascinating. Further investigation landed me on this related web site featuring quite a few iPad apps.
http://www.warrenburt.com
Here's a track Noiz-GX-29b where I used Wilsonic filtered through Crystalline and FLUX:FX to record into Audioshare within Audiobus.
Here Warren Burt details how he created Hexany Fantasy with the app and some other music apps in Audiobus.
Thanks guys. Wilsonic looks very interesting and great example/ use Paulinko. The Warren Burt link is an excellent read also.. Cheers
Really interesting. I'm guessing you can do this with Scalegen but it's good to support something like this, and it has Audiobus! Great article. Thanks for the post.
@Fitz you can use the Wilsonic app to import scala files into ScaleGen and if you're into microtonal music, this is definitely an app to look into.
Doesn't ScaleGen already do that?
I think SclaeGen can do what this app does, it just takes the maths out of it a bit, and makes it playable. Would be nice to have midi out.
@Paulinko, I liked the article about Hexany Fantasy but can't find where to listen to the track.
@Fitz here's the link to the Hexany Fantasy audio file. A lot of the site is flash based so it won't display in Safari.
@JC_vt I suppose you could read up on the Erv Wilson scales and enter them into GenScale by hand but that would be a lot more work than importing a scala file. Many of the scales have a lot more notes in the scale than the traditional western 12 tone scale so it'd be nice to be able to specify how much of the scale to export into a scala file. ThumbJam can import these files and then you can adjust the scale to reduce the number of notes in the playing surface of ThumbJam.
Hex type keyboards which can accommodate many more notes than traditional keyboards seems to be a common approach to this challenge. I'll have to investigate the midi hex keyboard apps to see if any support scala import.
It would be really nice to have a midi out for Wilsonic but once again it'd be dependent upon the other synth responding to the note plus pitch shift midi messages similar to how apps such as Gestrument and Ondes work with midi they output. The nature of the Erv Wilson scales is such that there are spatial relationships between the tones and how they're played in the scale so being able to play them from the app would be very much preferable to using a keyboard oriented towards more traditional scales.
Alternatively you can use various effect apps in Audiobus or IAA and build upon the basic synth tones output by Wilsonic to create an expanded set of timbres and thereby bypass the midi/traditional scale issues.
Thanks for posting this up, had just enough in my itunes account to get it, went on a tangent following the links in this thread and watching the video from the app. Feel like I've got a new direction to explore now at the beginning of 2015, like the stars aligned or something, I'd looked into the chakras and different frequencies like 528, but never considered changing the scale I was using in all my tracks, just took it for granted. Going to experiment with this app and using 432/444 more, I'm a smoker so could use a bit of dna healing:)
I'm experiencing clipping when I strum the keyboard. Is anybody else noticing this?
I was also thinking about a hexagonal keyboard. If one explores the (micro-)tonality and also leaves the 12-tone octave, a keyboard type different from the piano may be better.
Yes, a good way would be to create a scl file with this app and put them in an instrument which support it but then i would need midi out to control this instrument with it because a "normal" keyboard don't work well then. Here is where ThumbJam beats every app in the world
Would be great if Sonosaurus would make an updated scale maker...
So has Scale Gen midi out so that i could use it via an iconnectmidi2+ to control f.e. Alchemy, Omnisphere, Zebra 2, Sunrizer etc. on my Mac? So i could create and use the custom scales direct on the iPad without to have them "translate" into a normal keyboard. Maybe i have to begin finally to build a bigger set up and connect 3-4 used ipad as one giant virtual midi keyboard via an audio device. That would be great
My Mrs. would took me in the cellar......
Indeed, i would like to own this. I once saw Hans Zimmer using it:
The Seaboard would not be a good choice for microtonal explorations because it still uses the standard 12-tone topology, making any tuning that uses more than 12 notes painful to play. Example: 19-tone and 31-tone equal temperament.
@Phil999 said:
Hexagonal keyboards are indeed better suited for non-12-tone based tunings. The standard keyboard layout is white keys for the C major scale and black keys for the notes in between the notes of C major. The hexagonal keyboard takes this further in that you can designate one row of hex keys to be the "main" notes of your scale, the next row above are the notes that are between your main notes, the next row above that the notes in between the "in between" notes, and so on.
C-Thru is currently having a going out of business sale on their hex keyboards:
http://www.c-thru-music.com/cgi/?page=home
I know the Seaboard would be just nice for 12-tone scales. Maybe the Harken Continuum would be better. It's like a giant Animoog keyboard with one dimension more. Sadly all this stuff is out of my reach. Of course a lemur template could make whatever you wish but it looks a bit to complicated for me.
I still wonder why the hell i can't put just the iPad via usb in my Mac and use every app with MIDI out as controller in Logic. It can't be so difficult for apple with this "amazing" lightning port and all their stuff working perfect together (at least they say so). I thought with iOS 8 and Yosemite such things should work..... well, maybe just a wet dream!
Indeed, these hexagonal keyboards are also a bit to small and expensive. Then i would prefer the iPad as controller. Yes, it's true, the iPad is maybe still the best and most versatile hardware controller for me.
Just try it 20minutes, and it is very interesting to walk through,...
But dont realise that its have no midi out, grrr.
Hope the dev will bring it into!
Will try to use the export function of the scales and use it in thumbjam...
And it will notwork in AB, standalone works but if i put it into "input" of AB, there is just silence....
iOS8.1.2 iPad air2
Works for me in Audiobus with Air 1 and iOS 8.1.2. but those clicks while playing are not so nice.
@Cinebient said:
Exactly the same here, tried Wilsonic > Crystalline in Audiobus on iPad air 1 with iOS 8.1.2 works fine. But it clicks like a grasshopper in heat, (a slight exaggeration but it's annoying).
I've let the developer know about the clicking and how it would be very nice to have midi out in the app where it sends a note plus pitch shift so you can use other synth apps as sound modules. A basic aspect of the scales as they're presented in the app is the relationships between the tones in the app and how they're represented in the app similar to the white and black keys for 12 tone scales. Fortunately we live in an era with touch screens where the interface can be setup to take advantage of these relationships.
Erv Wilson mapped some of the scales onto three dimensional structures so at some point it'd be nice to manipulate 3-D structures that are playable. The Piano 3D app uses an engine that might be useful for such an app.
I saw on a post from the developer that at least 2 more scale kinds are planned.
Indeed i still wonder why there are no options to customize the virtual keyboard in most apps beside a few sizes and common scales. Would be great if i could choose which keys and in which order they are placed (a bit like ThumbJam). And of course more apps should make it possible to switch off the keyboard and use the place for other things. Sunrizer shows how!
@Cinebient said:
The Continuum has a rounding function to round what you place to the nearest note of a selected scale, while still allowing for note bends and vibrato - which is nice. Also, it can operate standalone with some powerful internal synths (Eagan Matrix, physical modeling, etc.).
But at $250 each, the Axis-49 is way cheaper than a Continuum or Seaboard.
I'm in. But, I have been playing guitar for over 25 years so it had better not ruin all of my guitars for me.
The update gets rid of the clicking in the app so you can use it in Audiobus with effects with a solid tonal foundation now.
Can someone please post some links that explain, in detail, how this thing works and what all the symbols, notations, occult incantations actually mean? The website linked from the App Store appears dead or broken, it’s obviously still alive as it was just updated today, but all I can find are vids of people that recorded themselves randomly tapping at stuff... I can do that. I want to learn and understand what this thing is doing, especially now that it can shove its scales into synth one.
Wilsonic can export the scales into AudioKit Synth One (the free version) and D1.
So you can play any of the scales with MIDI and any preset synth settings.
The developer of Wilsonic is now the Development Lead on the AudioKit Synth One project so AudioKit probably has modules to make importing microtonal.
Uh, yea, I know all that. What I’m looking for is something like a guide or at least some cliff notes on wtf all the stuff in that Wilsonic actually means...
Or does no one actually know? 😜
I don’t know.
But there is a $140 book out that talks about Mr. Wilson and his theories.
There is a link to it in the app.
Wtf is a “book”?