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Help needed with Gadget Bilbao conundrum

Hi,

I'd like to be able to easily pitch the samples in the Bilbao Gadget up and down by exact increments of semi-tones so that you can play different notes with the samples on the pads.

However, the pitch dial for each sample moves in cents, not semi-tones, and the automation window you draw in just lets you draw a line but doesn't snap to semi-tones. So it's extremely fiddly and inaccurate and basically not possible play out a phrase of different notes with one sample across, say, 4 bars.

I know that if you flick the pitch dial it should increment in semi-tones - but this is almost impossible to do while recording accurately (and necessitates you going through all semi-tones to get where you want).

So... my idea is to use a midi controller (probably something running in Midi Designer Pro on my iphone and using midi over bluetooth) to 'play' notes with these sample.

My challenge is to create a dial or some buttons that move increments of semi tones converted into cc values that I send to Gadget.

It looks to me like Gadget allows you to transpose 2 octaves up or down with the pitch dial... so that's 48 semi tones in total. With 128 possible cc values that translates into an unhelpful 2.66 increment in cc value per semi tone! I wonder how Gadget is dealing with that. That's one issue. The other issue finding a dial in Midi Designer that you can make snap to increments of, say, 3 ccs at a time.

If anyone can make sense of any of that and has any advice / insight then that would be much appreciated. As I write this I increasingly think it might not be possible since cc values don't seem to map to whole semi-tones on the pitch function in Bilbao...

Comments

  • This has been puzzling mer swell for quite some time...
    Another thing i miss in Gadet is a way to set the default scale for the app/project.

    Hopefully Korg will give Bilbao a keyboard to play the selected pad across the keyboard. If not a 'proper' sampler would be very handy, or maybe this is intentional on Korg's part and makes us want to buy the new Electribes :D

  • edited January 2015

    You could use an external tuner to find the correct note and create one instance of Bilbao per octave and save each note as a patch for example....Animoog oct 1c /1d# etc?

  • edited January 2015

    Or use the external tuner to examine the way Gadget handles the pitch changes as you move/automate the pitch slider and plan accordingly?

  • edited January 2015

    Thanks @Samu, @Dave.

    @Dave, it tells you in Gadget the note (or the actually the amount it is transposing the sample up or down). So no need for an external tuner if you know the original note of the sample.

    The only problem is the way they have implemented the dial/automation drawing so that it's impossible to increment cleanly in semitones as you 'play'. You're right that you can duplicate the same sample across the 16 pads and carefully adjust the pitch of each to pre-create an octave (or 2 x 8 note octaves) per instance of Bilbao. That's pretty cool.

    I was just being greedy and wondering if it would be possible to make an external cc sending controller address the pitch of just one pad 'live' allowing you to play up to 16 different sound samples each in different notes per instance of Bilbao (and without have to set up the duplicated samples solution). I think you almost could - but I fear that cc values won't translate cleanly into semi-tones. I guess i just need to try it. I need to find a way to send very specific cc values to this.

  • The best solution would be to have Gadget change the cc-scale to math the edited parameter. So when editing the pitch parameter it could have a 'snap to semitones'.

    Automating Bilboa to make weird pitched sounds is really cool, this 'trick' i also used on my Electribe ES-1 to make basslines, The ES-1 had 2 values per semitone so it was fairly easy to do on the fly calculation, transpose 7 semitones, add value of 14 and it was even more fun to record it live and then alter the 'missed notes' afterwards, but after a while the know-twiddling got pretty precise and there was less need to adjust...

    I'm thinking we'll see more Gadget updates during 2015...

  • Another suggestion to Korg would be to switch the Biboa 'pads' to reflect a keyboard with current scale selected and play the samples...(Similar to what the new Electribes have).

  • I think I need to fire incremental cc values at that pad pitch parameter and see what Gadget does with them.

    Hopefully Midi Designer will let me do this fairly painlessly and accurately.

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