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So - how good/bad is IOS 8 at this point?
I only recently started using IOS for music in October, so all I've known is IOS 8 regarding music app compatibility. I've now acquired a huge array of apps in search of a solid bunch I can use for both live and studio work. While there are quite a few I've barely scratched the surface with, I've put in quite a bit of time with many and I haven't really run into much in the way of incompatibility, other than a few apps that throw up the Audiobus error. And most of those, I've still been able use with IAA. I've run into some glitching here or there, but nothing I haven't found a way to work with. I'd honestly have to say that things were just about the same on my Ableton laptop rig.
Seeing as I haven't experienced these apps under IOS 7, what are the key issues keeping everyone from upgrading at this point?
Just interested...
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Sorry to be so synthetic, I'll get back to this.
BAD. It's a pain in the arse.
It's getting better
I'm using ios8 on iPad air 2 coming from a iPad 3 running ios7 and now (after some time I might add) everything running really smooth in fact I've never been so productive as far as music writing is concerned, maybe it's just the apps I own (and I do have quite a few) but since all the Christmas updates I'm loving my iPad and music again.
I took the leap at the beginning of the year after most of the music apps I use have been updated. The only issue I have in Audiobus is sometimes having to add and remove apps until the desired combination starts working. Having to use this procedure less often.
I think many of the IK Multimedia apps are still not updated, and obviously if you own Alchemy then the update is going to be a very risky one because it's no longer on the App Store.
Alchemy was updated for iOS 8 and works fine on my Air 2. By the way, has anyone tried it on an iPhone 6? Does it fit the screen?
@bixnood said:
Yes but what happens if someone updates from iOS 7 to iOS 8, is there any guarantee that Alchemy and it's IAPs are going to make the transition successfully?
Have all the issues relating to iOS 8 simply been related to dev updates, or are there core os issues that still need to be worked out? Again, I'm not asking because I'm thinking about upgrading - I have never been on iOS 7 and was wondering how much of a difference there still is.
Alchemy was one of the first apps I purchased, and has always seemed to work under iOS 8. Luckily, it hasn't become a go to app for me, so Camel's demise doesn't affect me too much. I've generally stayed away from IK apps because of the ads. But I've installed almost 100 different music apps with seemingly very few issues.
Nearly all the ios8 issues relate to conflict with Audiobus
I have to agree with that one. Nearly all apps have had problems & conflicts with Audio Bus.
In a word i'd say busy...
@jackhead said:
I second that.iOS came a long with my Air 2 so i had to use it but it's running quite well/stable/fast (besides a really nasty scrollview bug in Auria) and i don't look back.But most trouble i run into on my old pads was related to the Ram bottleneck so i guess the extra Ram (it's a breeze) makes up for every little quirk might i encounter in 8 (which is not worse than 7 at this point for my workflow and combination of apps).That said,i don't use AB much and i never use FX chains.I mainly use IAA and never more than 2-3 at once.I'm used to this workflow and i rarely run into trouble this way on 7 as well.Usually i would say"never touch a running system"but since the underlying core of AB changed to IAA many people on 7 are also affected by new bugs that haven't been there before (many related to iOS8 updates it seems).If everything is working fine,just keep it that way until you get a new device or at least until iOS 8.2.
When is 8.2 supposed to come out?
Nothing I've read here makes me want to move from 7.1.2 - the music works as it is, and unless Apple pulls something or I see some positive consensus here I'm staying put.
With iPad Air 2, iOs 8.1.2 and latest versions of all apps, I'm also having a smooth experience here. But I can't reccomend strongly to anyone, because I barely use midi and synths. Just the basic DAW operation with guitar & bass sims and mic recording. And as for reference the apps I use with no problems are: Audiobus, Audioshare, Auria, Multitrack DAW, Bias, JamUp, ToneStack, Chordpolypad, Chordion, Thumbjam, Neosoul keys, Loopy, Drumperfect...
@Mucci, thoughts on this:
I have an ipad air 1, I mainly use the apps you mentioned, with a few others. Do you think my ipad air would provide smooth/stable expo for me as well? Not much into midi, a few synths here and there, mostly JamUp and Bias.
Thanks
No operating system is perfect so my approach has always been to find an efficient workflow and just get my head down and make some music. Some people are still on very slow and old iOS devices and when they encounter OS problems they generalise their frustrations and put all the blame on Apple. This is not to say there haven't been iOS 8 issues.
Solution: get a core of music apps that really work for you and stick with them. There is no point in having millions of apps if you are not productive as far as composing music goes. Some one hit wonder apps will never get updated so do not buy each and every app that someone here raves about. How many people here have just 20 apps for making music?
The biggest trouble for me are still the clicks, cracks and drop outs which sounds like high cpu peaks. I didn't had this with iOS 7 (iOS 6 was still the best so far). I saw that there is also big trouble with high cpu peaks in Auria when scrolling. I have the same trouble since Yosemite with this when i scroll while playing or with some open UI (cocoa?). I must close all UI's because of cpu peaks while playing with some plug ins. I have the feeling that OS X and iOS share some strange graphic bugs which causes very high cpu peaks even when the audio app is not using much. The good thing is i can go back on OS X but it sucks that i'm catched with iOS 8 now. For some reason i'm not sure if iOS 9 will fix that...
I edited my post but lost the draft but youse guys posts about IAA reminded me, a lot of issues with them in Auria; some just won't load or disable audio until i remove them other cause Auria to crash.
From what i read on the Auria forums IAA is buggy so i put it down to that but it seems like it might be more app or hardware specific. Rim advises running Auria in AB mode but some apps are still not working although strangely most of these apps load without in issue in Audioshare.
I meant to add also that i'm getting busy in AB with certain app combinations and greyed out dots when reloading presets with state saving enabled so i've resorted to sampling into AS and then using open in...
@Cinebient said:
I've noticed this on my iPad Air 2. When running two or three apps in Audiobus, specific apps seem to have to be on screen to avoid lots of nasty audio glitches. iVoxel and Harmony Voice seem particularly prone to this, but I've noticed it with others too.
Yeah i've noticed that too, i thought it was high cpu peaks!
@High5denied said:
@High5denied In my first tryouts, the only problem I had was some freezing sound/noise issues in Bias/Jamup when used as an IAA in Auria only when recording. Asked it in the Auria forum and solved it by enabling audiobus mode in Auria (even when not using Audiobus) to match the buffer size. Then did a restart and never had a single problem since then. But I read all the time that Air 1's are less problematic than Air 2's. So I think you should be just fine with your setup, but can't really mention about midi as I barely use them.
@FrankieJay said:
@FrankieJay Could not agree more. At first I was jumping on every app that seem logical to me, but ended up with only a few in my worklflow which really really made me more productive. The more you experience an app in different tasks, the less problematic it gets in time. From my point of view anyway.
The biggest issue for me is and has been since I upgraded the os the crickles, popins, prickles and crackles. And every other things I do with my iPad besides music are working much worse than before.
I am not getting the cracks and pops yet but I did just get an air 1 and the speakers are horrible. They crackle and pop not ios.
@Macao95 said:
@Macao95 In which circumstances and app combinations you get those cracks and pops. I want to try a test just for curiousity. Maybe I've never run the apps that causes them.
I'm still on 7 but enjoying the comments in this thread. It's serving as a good reminder to me that these sorts of discussions probably need to be qualified a bit—people use their iPads to make music in so many different ways. All iOS AB workflow, all iOS IAA workflow, instrument-at-a-time (used as a sort of synth module), simple singer songwriter DAW, MIDI controller, stand alone effects processor... "Does the iPad work for music" or "Does iOSX work well?" isn't really enough question and "It's working well" or "Pretty broken" isn't really enough answer.
Agreed. Good to hear the specifics. I've had very few problems in 8, but it helps to understand where certain problems may reside. I've run into some of the glitching/noise in a few scenarios and have found workarounds, but also wondered if 7 was immune to these problems. Regardless, nothing has kept me from using specific apps, and I had similar glitching issues on my laptop based system.
Almost no issues here with my Air2, twice I accidentally let my cpu get too high in Auria and I get the scrolling crackle. At first I had some issues with Audiobus in some apps, so I stopped using Audiobus and in a couple weeks all my main apps were updated to be IAA compatible anyway.
Another vote for sticking with a few key apps and not getting side tracked by the one hit wonders. These days I'm happy to wait and see how responsive a developer is with updates before I bite, and that more than anything has kept most of my iOS music making trouble free.
Out of the few dozen apps I've bought over the years, I probably only use 10 or so regularly, if that.
Well, I did it. Upgraded today. So far just had time to try Thumbjam into auria and Multitrack DAW and that worked great. The real test for me will be testing out JamUp Pro when I get home into Auria. Finger's crossed.