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About Ableton Lite
Finally deciding to take the invitation Gadget offers as regards a license (sales bait!) to the Lite version of Ableton. Never used it before in any form. Worth a go?
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Worth having around, yes. Not a main DAW for me, but useful to have handy.
Depends on what you're looking for.
A little over a year ago I said heck with it and bought a slick new laptop along with the high end version of Live (with Max for Live and everything). Still paying that decision off, but at the same time I don't regret it one bit.
What sold it for me was the way everything was set up in terms of song writing and the Session Mode, and then also the midi effects, which essentially let you use a qwerty keyboard as a midi controller (good because I have no gear beyond the laptop and iPad).
I actually haven't used it much with Gadget, but what it will let you do is play back the clips individually, as opposed to being forced to play the whole scene in Gadget. So it gives you a way to mix up your Gadget creation.
Beyond that you also have whatever the Lite version offers (which I don't think is much), as well the ability to use VST plug-ins (pretty sure the Lite version allows that). Then you can also dump iPad audio to it, and midi too, or even use your iPad as a midi controller with Live (again, I'm assuming the Lite version allows this).
You're potentially opening up new doors here, which can be both good and bad. I have found it to be good, very good.
Im learning Ableton and i,really like it i start because of Gadget and right nom im thinking in Push because is really awesome for my needs
I ve just put down a huge investment for Ableton. The reason I choose it over the other platforms is the great integration with mobile world (iPad, Gadget, Korg Electribe...)
In one year time I can confirm if it was worth or not....hope so!
I used the full version for a couple of years, before moving on to Maschine and then Logic.
I enjoyed using it, particularly the sound mangling/warping tools, and it's unique ability to jump between the launcher and standard sequencer. The audio-in recordings I did never sounded as good as those I've done via Logic for some reason, user error probably.
It's a good DAW, though the stuff I did with it all sounds a bit Ableton flavoured. I've got a recent Lite version too, free with a mixer, so I might give it a spin again as it's fun to use.
@JohnnyGoodyear said:
I like it. A couple of things to keep in mind going in...
1) There are 2 views - the session view and the arrangement view. It defaults to the session view which is unfamiliar to those used to traditional DAWs. Hit the TAB key to switch to arrangement view with track lanes. I like session view for figuring out which sounds work well together, then putting the song together in arrangement view. You can drag and drop between the 2 views.
2) You're limited to 8 tracks with the Lite version.
The built-in help is really good. I recommend starting with "A Tour of Live." The help view should come up automatically, but if you're not seeing it click View >> Help View.
Thank you all. I shall suit up and head off into battle. Soon. Hopefully. Once I feed my horse. Polish this armor. Find my sword.
Funny (after you've noodled through a hundred different programs across the disciplines/across the years) there's always that fear of the learning curve mixed with dumb optimism as regards the shock of the new.
Im currently installing live lite...should be interesting as it it seems to be the daw most tailored to my needs. Does anyone recommend an app for controlling ableton? Beat surfing looks incredibly fun but I've heard about latency issues, otherwise Lemur?
Do you like looping? If so, and you think of it as an 8 track looper where each track has multiple takes/versions (clips) you'll probably love it. Definitely requires a controller to get the most out of it for (live/ish) looping purposes.
@Jackshg said:
I don't have it, but touchAble gets good reviews: https://itunes.apple.com/app/id385949475?mt=8
There's touchAble mini as well: https://itunes.apple.com/app/id782993938?mt=8
@Jackshg, A couple off the top of my head are Lemur with the Live template, but someone had problems downloading the template last I heard. Then there's TouchAble really good controller App but I don't know if there are any limitations with these and Live Lite.
@telecharge said:
Interesting. I have very limited time with it, but I didn't even dig deep enough to see if there was a different view. The session one I assume is the one that looks kind of like Auxy with the gridboxes. That did throw me off a bit. Still, I was very impressed with the amount of stuff that was in even the lite version, and 8 tracks is enough for me 95% of the time. (If only I had more time to experiment with it!!!)
Anybody used Cubase AI (their light version) that could tell me how it compares to Ableton Lite? I picked up a Yamaha THR10 desktop modeling amplifier yesterday, and it can be used as a recording interface with a DAW (Cubase AI was included). You can then monitor back through the amp.
Which sounds pretty cool, except that my experience with PC recorded has traditionally been restricted to horrible latency and spending hours inside ASIO driver menus instead of making music. That's why iPad has been the only thing that's really worked for me, even if the features of its DAW's are more like "Ableton Lite Lite".
@StormJH1 said:
Yes, the session view is designed for live use - jamming, DJing, etc. I've also seen it referred to as "clip" view as the boxes host audio/midi clips.
I used to create a basic song structure using Session View, record it as a performance, and then flip over to the Arrangement View for traditional DAW style editing, and then record lead instruments and vocals. Seemed to work well as I was able to experiment with the basic song structure before recording it.
I've been working with Ableton for a long time, so I'm obviously a big fan. If you're just getting started, check out some of the DJ Vespers videos on youtube, lots of good free advice.
Warpacademy.com has lots of good videos too, I think quite a few free ones still.
Ableton is wonderful stuff. Used it for the last 3 years - was able to do amazing things with it - and still felt I was only scratching the surface. Much more than a looper, and it's midi control has yet to be equaled (IMO).
That being said, 8 tracks will get used up in a hurry with that Lite version... but you'll be able to understand what you could do with the full version.
JohnnyGoodyear wrote:
Finally deciding to take the invitation Gadget offers as regards a license (sales bait!) to the Lite version of Ableton. Never used it before in any form. Worth a go?
How do get this offer? I already own Gadget.
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@joegrant413 said:
Instructions here: http://forum.audiob.us/discussion/comment/80621#Comment_80621
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Got mine by hitting 'Export' (in Gadget obviously) and following the Albeton Live Project tab.
AfroDJMac is a pretty good source for Ableton info/packs.
https://www.youtube.com/user/AfroDjMac/videos
Ableton is great fun. The Warp function and Tempo matching is the reason it was so revolutionary on first release, and remains beloved of DJs in particular. You can mash together loops, tracks and other snippets almost regardless of tempo and key. You drag and drop .wav files into the clip view, highlight the sample and in the sample window below you can transpose, (experiment with the different methods, complex and complex pro good for preserving detail)
At extremes of pitch and tempo change it gets pretty nasty sounding, inevitably.
You record audio and MIDI into it as any DAW, plus it has effects, and can do a lot more than EDM and DJing.
My latest favorite iOS "workflow" (for some reason that term makes me cringe just a little I don't know why) is to import Ableton projects from the iKaossilator on my iPhone. I bet it would also be good goofy fun to use iElectribe the same way on the iPad...hello Korg, will you set this up please? I don't use Gadget so much this way, as these two aren't so distinct as Ableton and iKaossilator are, or Ableton and iElectribe would be
The hookup with iKaossilator and Ableton is a bit like the new Take/Figure/Reason "workflow", except iKaossilator imports user samples, opening it up to anything synthesizer or live recording wise I have on the iPhone. (And it is Ableton)