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Vocalive Decision to make
So.... I am going to buy this tonight. But, wanted to know this:
From musicappblog:
"one key difference being that you can chain three effects on the iPhone but four on the iPad)."
Is this still the case? I am reading an old review, so just curious if it has changed at all.
Also, I want to do this, or use it in this way.
When I play live/gig, I'll have my electric guitar plugged into my ipad via my iriffport, I'd like to use vocalive as well, for my vocals. What are my options for doing this? have vocalive on my ipod touch, and plug in a mic somehow to my ipod? Is it possible to plug in a mic to an ipod?
Is it possible to use vocalive and JamUp pro at the same time on an ipad? Not needing both on screen at the same time, but using vocalive to affect my vocals, and JamUp for my guitar? I'm thinking not, but thought I would ask.
I guess doing it the old fashion way, just using reverb/delay/chorus on the house mixer would be fine as well.
Anyway, thoughts? Do you use something else on your vocals when you play live?
Comments
You'd need a multi-channel interface at the least, and probably the MiMix app to boot to co-jointly run both apps on one device. Not sure about interface options for audio on the iPod touch, it's been on Apple's slow phase-out train for a while now, sadly.
EDIT - scratch MiMix, iPad only.
Huh, I've never heard of MiMix. What a cool little app. So, would MiMix help me out on my ipad air? Be able to run vocalive and JamUp? Multi-channel interface, I have the scarlet 2i4. But I'm pretty sure that's studio use only. That wouldn't help me playing live correct?
If you have a 2 (or more) input channel audio interface hooked up to your iPad, you can easily route a mic through one app, and a guitar through a different app. Just use the multi-routing IAP in Audiobus
Cool. gonna try it tonight, I hope....
The 2i4 will make a killer live interface if you ask me. Just set it on the stage instead of your studio desk
And the 2i4 needs to go into your iPad thru the CCK and a powered USB hub.
Then you can have your mic and guitar each going thru different FX routes in Audiobus.
Very nice. I've got all I need then, much appreciated everyone!
What @Vecoto said
The only issue with mixing on the ipad is that the sound man won't be able to change the balance between the guitar and the voice while you're playing. I guess they can still tell you to do that in between songs.
I am a live sound engineer and what you are trying to do will work, but would drive me nuts trying to get you in to the board. If you are playing live then you should invest in some direct boxes so you can plug into the snake with mic cables. Your sound will be awesome and clean. Are you bringing any stage amps or monitors for your own use? We are interested in how it goes for you so please report back with any hindsight or observations too.
Take pics of your set up so we can gawk over it and shit.
This is a line/instruction/request that should be saved by all forum members for extensive use IRL.
+1 for mandatory GOIS clause ... @Martygras, MiMix might be horrorshow for pro sound folk, but seems it could be a godsend for bands/duets/solo performers who run their own sound.
@eustressor I believe @Martygras is referring more to the unbalanced outs of the 2i4 than MiMix. If you're right next to a mixer with unbalanced ins, you might be ok - but if you're connecting in to a house snake, you'll want to add the direct box(es) to the path to convert to balanced outs. MiMix can still be used to submix on stage.
With that being said, never a bad idea to look for an ios interface with balanced outs if you intend to use live. There are plenty out there that should keep you from purchasing/borrowing additional direct boxes.
Actually, with a 4 out interface like the 2i4 and MiMix's multi output routing (latest update), he can absolutely send guitar and vox to separate outs. I haven't tried this yet with MiMix, but I understand it should work.
Ok, fair point
Having your own DI will never be a bad idea though! I NEVER want to rely on having one supplied. If the venue has a DI that they want me to use I have no argument, but I usually use mine.
For your purposes, a bandleader I work for bought a 2 channel DI on musicians friend for about $15 that works fine, it's not a Jensen or anything but it works.
Good luck!
Ah, thank you for that perspective, @rad3d. I was caught up in my (pipe) dream stage mix setup and forgot most of the natural world relies on snakes and such.
I think playing live with iPads and phones is a steep learning curve. Lots of potential pitfalls to overcome. Ground hum may be the next problem you encounter and there are several ways to deal with it depending on what is causing it. Turn off any wifi or cell operations or you may get a call in mid performance. More ideas as I think of them.
Ask me how I learned that lesson! iPhone with synthstation 25 way back when...phone call right in the middle of "my girl," wasn't event playing any keys on that but the PA was LOUD! Yikes...
Turn off wifi? Heck - my band runs 2 wifi routers specifically for live use. We have 6 ipads between us (sound, lighting, setlists, monitor mixes and synth apps) that require wifi.
Turn off cell signal - yes. Disconnect from public wifi - good idea. Turn off wifi - never.
2i4 has two outputs for the Main pair, one pair RCA and one pair Balanced TRS. MiMix is my preferred way of getting a private noodle mix on headphones since it can direct output to either or both output pairs 1&2 or 3&4. HP jack has a switch to select which you listen to. Or route the 3&4 RCA pair to your monitor. MiMix also has Midi control. I think I can get an Audiobus config that can give the house the main TRS outputs and an independent local monitor mix, with each of the two inputs running through a different effects chain. Give me a few ...
Anybody venturing on stage with an idevice should absolutely invest in at least semi pro grade audio interface. You don't want your sound to fight over the bandwidth with radio broadcast.
OK. I have a recipe. This gives a fixed pair of balanced mono feeds to house for the vocal and guitar, with stomp etc effect provided inside the iPad, and a separate stereo monitor mix for the performer, if those are the only noise sources. If there are more, of course, the two balanced feeds becoe a stereo mix. But the house guy can control that with a HUI over MIDI controller if desired.
Stuff:
iPad with Auria (half size is OK) and any desired IAA capable effects and optional synths, and/or MIDI sequencers etc.
Focusrite 2i4 with powered hub and Camera Connection kit.
Headphones and/or monitor speakers for performer.
Configuration:
Auria has 2 mono tracks for inputs 1 and 2 respectively. These are both sent normally to Main buss.
Auria Aux 1 and Aux 2 are set as external mono sends to output channels 3 and 4 respectively. This way they become the L and R mix controls for the personal monitor mix.
Focusrite 2i4:
inputs are the mic and guitar in 1 and 2, guitar arriving in a 1/4 jack (bal or unbal) set to Instrument, and mic using an XLR connector.
1/4 jacks Main Outs feed house, again bal or unbal per preference
MIDI In/Out can optionally be connected to a HUI controller at the house console (so house engineer has control over what comes down the tubes:). Assuming close enough for MIDI (50') or MIDI cable extension is available (optical? WiFi?))
RCA jacks 3 and 4 can optionally feed personal stereo speakers.
Headphone Out (is quite powerful) for performer too. Has selector switch beween 1&2 (house feed) and 3&4 (personal moniotor feed).
I spent about 2 hours fiddling with various setups before settling on this as the simplest. In that time my iPad Air 1 battery dropped to 82% and the 12AH battery I used to power the hub dropped to 67% (hub had Focusrite 2i4, nanoPAD2, nanoKONTROL2, and QuNexus attached).
(don't know why the images cannot be selected, sorry)
@dwarman - Great breakdown.
Do you know how much processing impact Auria adds when using as just a mixer in this situation? I tested something similar with Auria using an 8i6 a while back, and it 'seemed' that the addition of Auria pushed my processing threshold up more than I wanted. At that time, though, I was also running a few more intensive apps than what I eventually settled on for live purposes.
The image shows 7%, includes Jam Up. The main problem is, there are only three Apps I know of that can send to any physical outputs - Auria, Cubasis, and MiMix - and of those only Auria has Auxes that can be routed there instead of Main returns.
Holy crap guys! I leave for the weekend, and now my brain is fried after reading all of that.
Thank you for all of the thoughts and info, and workups. I think on Thursday I will be at a local audio/music shop. They have reasonable prices, I'm going to scope out a DI Box.
For the most part, all of the venues, if I can call them that, they are mostly coffee houses, and such I want to play at, a few churches. I'll probably be the sole person. Musician/sound guy.
A few places I may have a sound guy. I haven't played live for several years, but am looking forward to doing it in the next month or so.
I can't get MiMix to do anything with Audiobus? Any ideas?
I'm wondering if anyone can comment on the value of an active DI vs. a passive DI. I was wondering also if anyone has used this..
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/pro-audio/behringer-ultra-di-di400p-passive-direct-box?cntry=us&source=3WWRWXGP&gclid=CjwKEAiAx4anBRDz6JLYjMDxoQYSJAA4loRmF2ihXQDUwLSj0xjIcWOGXfXbWZGQ_cGzm2_N99CDoRoC9w7w_wcB&kwid=productads-plaid^80558078907-sku^182498000000000@ADL4MF-adType^PLA-device^c-adid^51870555867#productDetail
I'm not at a point where I can load it up, but I usually use MiMix on the Output slot with one or more chains for each input, and then a final chain where MiMix is the input and it feeds into effects and a DAW or AudioShare.
Ok, thank you.
That helps, I will try it tonight.
That does help. Would love to see a screen shot. I had consigned MiMIx to the 'live chappies only' bin....
Wish MiMix supported State Saving, but since it doesn't....