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Do you use magic numbers in your music?
Just curious to see if any of you use magic numbers in your music, productions etc, by magic numbers I mean numbers which have personal meaning whether it's sentimental or just a liking for a certain shape, or established magic numbers like the golden ratio. I sometimes find myself gravitating to certain numbers when using anything with a numerical value or input, do any of you share my affliction?
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Great topic! Check out the videos of Marty Leeds on youtube for inspiration. This one is a good starting point:
I often pick tempos that way- 98.6, 101, 123...
Cueing the 432 crowd in 4, 3, 2.....
I know a lot of musicians with a strange fascination for counting to three, over and over again, whenever testing vocal mic levels. Others stop at two (rebels), but the superstition is otherwise the same
More serious note ... 3. I like 3 acts to a song, 3 acts to a concept album, and when running through a rough mix, moving most of the turny buttons and faders in increments of 3db. Bold moves make for quick results. I feel I can fine tune that crucial .42 +/- db on the splash cymbal either on the fly or down the road.
lol
Magical numbers, superstitions? humbug, now what's that play by Billy Wobbledagger?
Two famous people mixing music and number are Bach and... Robert Fripp.
I like 54% (even when I have to round it up to 13%).
3/16 is a fine number as well.
Seriously with music the only magic numbers I use are preceded with this magical symbol £ and also this magical symbol - intermixed with the magical colour red, but a wisened Mage of the 15th Order of the Golden Parachute (my bank manager) says this is not good magic.
I consult the Antikythera Mechanism for all of my compositions.
I used to have one too, a long time ago, think I lost it in the quay of sea!
@Maarten
At school maths and history were my two least favourite subjects, now though I'm fascinated, so thanks for the vid, I'll check out some of the others at a later date, started watching the one about isis and osiris mythology but got sidetracked, time to use 7 & 4 more in my tracks I think.
@Zymos
I find I'm using the same tempo's alot in my tracks especially 89 115 126 173 and 174, 126 for me is perfect for dancing as it reminds me of rave stuff from 90-91 and being off my pickle, so it's a very magic number.
@eustressor
Every time I use 3 in a track, that de la soul track pops in my head.
@Ischemica
Clicked on that link expecting something mind expanding, how very disappointing, that shouldn't even be used to teach kids how to count, I find this more appropriate for the under 5's
I made a song for my girlfriend's 33rd birthday consisting of 9 measures with the number of beats per measure going through 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, and 33.
Not only is this charming, it is also somehow reassuring to know that others reach further on such matters than my own furthest reaches.
Ha, except it was her 34th birthday and the last measure was 34! Because, math.
Unlike Mr Smartypants here, for most musicians, math is like water is for goldfish, you ask em how's the water they have no idea what you're talking about: as in, they're swimming in it, so compared to what? It's all math
Anybody ever read 'Godël, Escher, Bach: The Eternal Golden Braid' by Douglas Hofstadter? Talk about numbers... a tome of tomes!
So swim and enjoy.....
The 432 crowd cracks me up, even tho I'm a big fan of alchemy, ancient harmonics and whatnot. It doesn't matter what you set middle C to, if you're going to use equal temperament, you're still not going to have proper harmonics.
If you really want nice true harmonies, try listening to something with just intonation, like barbershop quartet songs. Anyway, my favorite music numbers are that 256 bars at 140 bpm is 7:18, which is my birthday.
Here, have a bunch of fun numbers:...
http://www.grahamhancock.com/forum/KnightButler1.php?p=1
I love it.
alas, my birthday is a prime number :-(
now I know why I was having a difficult time understanding this thread...
These are the numbers I'm thinking about:
“One day, whether you
are 14,
28
or 65
you will stumble upon
someone who will start
a fire in you that cannot die.
However, the saddest,
most awful truth
you will ever come to find––
is they are not always
with whom we spend our lives.”
— Beau Taplin
Probably a song in it...
You're not the only one
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lateralus_(song)#Mathematical_significance
George Clinton used the 1.
Nigel Tufnel used 11.
I use whatever adds up.
I agree that Mr. Krueger is very warm and endearing teacher who you might be afraid to disappoint if you didn't learn fast enough, but have another look at the 1,2 buckle my shoe video starting at 0.35-0.40 to see a very mesmerizing choreographed dance step as well as the Cajun style accordion riff which I found very entrancing.
There is no magic in a number in and of it's self, but there is power in numbers.
But iii is intresting
https://youtube.com/watch?list=PLBGZ4qDwmmR0TsAvGhlK4_0brU1_Sf2lP&v=aU4pyiB-kq0
@wmwm Isn't magic, cynically, just power we do not yet understand?
Like Beau Taplin's words, quoted above. Really, just some words I use every day but, assemled as they were, they somehow kicked me in the stomach, powerfully. Magic.
4/4. No idea why though.
Number Nine, Number Nine, Number Nine. Or maybe "668, the neighbor of the beast."