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Experimental track using Animoog, Orphion, Thumbjam, Gadget, SessionBand & AudioReverb into Auria
So here's a short, personal experiment to use some of what i've read about and learnt recently on this forum in a track (well more of a kind of short interlude that you might have mid way through an album). It only took a few hours.
Using Orphion as a midi out playing surface was discussed here:
http://forum.audiob.us/discussion/comment/113975/#Comment_113975
so I gave it a try on the 'Alto Sax' preset in Gagdet's Marseille and i'm pretty pleased how it came out... getting Orphion to subtly vary the velocity and, crucially, bend the pitch makes that patch sound a lot more realistic in my opinion. Adding some delay in Gadget also helps.
Sessionband (currently half price) was discussed here:
http://forum.audiob.us/discussion/comment/115174/#Comment_115174
So I took a jazz loop I made in Sessionband Jazz, exported to Abu in Gadget and then chopped it around to produce the drum and double bass 'break' you hear
A Steinway piano soundfont was raved about here:
http://forum.audiob.us/discussion/7430/korg-gadget-and-module-on-sale-iaps-as-well/p2
so I got it and then realised I wanted to play it Thumbjam (which is great playing surface)...
So converting soundfonts into Thumbjam instruments was discussed here:
http://forum.audiob.us/discussion/7117/favorite-sound-fonts#latest
The piano you hear is that soundfont played live and ad lib through Thumbjam with some delay and reverb
Adding your own Timbres in Animoog was discussed here:
http://forum.audiob.us/discussion/comment/115351/#Comment_115351
which lead me eventually to download a few hundred multiple single cycle waveforms converted to Animoog Timbre files from here: http://animoog.org/database/timbres/
The pad you hear evolve throughout is a made from some of those timbres as well as well as some Animoog factory ones (I hit random and then worked up the patch from there). It's fed through the great sounding AudioReverb (via audiobus) which took a lot of the edge off the distortion and then into Auria where I added a bit of Microwarmer to boost and smooth the high end off it.
Everything gets a bit of convolution reverb from Auria and a little bit of channel strip EQ.
I'd be really interested to hear what people think of the different sounds - please be critical because it's really useful.
(It actually reminds me of the jazz background music they sometimes play in the TV show Homeland)...
Comments
Love this. Really good Matt. Two fingers up.
Thanks Johnny. I copied the length from you.
Good work Matt. Very nice sounds.
Btw I've still not managed to load my own sounds into Animoog yet ! My mono 32bit, 0.372s, wav's just dont/wont appear in Animoogs Samples folder.. 3 days and 4 audio editors is enough for me.. Still, i might try again.
Thanks @Runcell
Weird you can't get them in. Do you have the right folder. I know @knewspeak said: (Animoog)/Library/Caches/categories
But it was slightly different for me. They were in (Animoog)/Library/Caches though.
Why not try putting the single cycle adventure kid ones in (link in my OP) and if they show up you at least know you've got the right folder and it's something up with the format of your wavs.
Big tip don't put the adventure kid waveforms in one giant folder, messed up Animoog when I did that, was before the update so I don't know if it's still like that, keep them in separate folders with only a few in, otherwise it's scroll forever.......BTW, AKWF are really good, but you'll need to live till 2115, to audition them all. A lot have a tendency to sound the same, as well.
Forgot to ask, @Matt_Fletcher_2000, how are they organised in the Caches folder, I'm wondering did you have any of your own/custom timbres in the app before you updated, I did, so I'm thinking it may have caused some slightly different file system.
@knewspeak I'll check exactly how they were organised when I'm next able to plug into a computer.
From memory they were already in folders eg "acoustic" and some other descriptive ones like that. They appeared to be just the default factory ones which i thought was a bit strange because I've purchased some other packs but maybe they are kept elsewhere or they just use the default timbres.
I used the 250 or so concatenated adventure kid timbres. Not the thousands of individual ones. I put them all in one folder and they seem to work just fine. One timbre actually contains 8 or so different sounds accessed by moving the XY pad through the x axis. Then of course you can have 8 or so timbres on the y axis. Allowing potentially 64 odd different source timbre sounds you can move around. Pretty cool.
@Matt_Fletcher_2000 Yes, when you slow down the rate of the x-y modulation you can hear the different wave cycles, I also listen to them down at the low end of the scale. The waveform timbre folder structure sounds similar, if I remember correctly now, I'm sure the default set is still in a folder called samples, as to @RUncELL 's problems, your advice to use the AKWF's is sound, they should then show up in Animoog, unless, I've just thought @RUncELL, is using Animoog for iPad, not iPhone, because the location for the timbres is different, haven't checked recently, because of the update mania with both apps not long ago, but the iPad version went a separate way, with the timbre selection etc. and folder locations.
@knewspeak @RUncELL
Ok... For the iPad version the path is
Library>caches>categories
Then you see some existing folders like 'analog', 'basic', 'digital' etc. And you can add your own folder which is what I did with the adventure kid ones.
BUT: the weirdest thing is when I plugged into a Mac just now my new folder had gone. Completely disappeared and Animoog was saying, for the patch I'd created, that the timbre was missing!
So I've just put the folder of timbres back and and now the patch no longer says they are missing.
Restarted Animoog and they are still there.
But I guess we'll see how long they stay there. It's seriously like Animoog deleted all the new timbre files of its volition.
The Library/Caches folder inside an app's sandbox is defined by iOS to be non-permanent, that is the contents may be cleared by the system (or during syncs, cleanups, etc), and that the app should be prepared to repopulate anything placed there.
Just a friendly tip from a neighborhood dev, use the information however you can
@Knewspeak yes i'm on iPad 2, ios 7 and i've not updated Animoog since they unleashed ios 8. Maybe thats my problem !!
If i've got enough time to burn later, i might give it another shot. Thanks for all suggestions
Hi @RUncELL
I'm on iOS7.1 (Air 1) and actually Animoog is one of the few app i've upgraded to the latest version since all the iOS 8 stuff. I'm pleased to say it works fine for me - including with AudioBus.
Thanks for the friendly advice @sonosaurus
I'm thinking maybe there is another more permanent place where the timbres are kept as well as the cache folder. In fact when I first plugged into iTools (similar to iFunBox) and browsed to Animoog's folders it showed the cache folder completely empty and then some time later the factory timbres appeared but not my user added ones.
I think the iphone's Animoog file structure is simpler but I think the ipad version's is pretty strange. Anyway - my custom Timbres are still there today. I think syncing or plugging into my mac is probably the point at which they might always be removed and need to be re-added - which I can live with I guess.
Im just happy to have all the Adventure Kid timbres at my disposal now...
@Matt_Fletcher_2000, From your description of the disappearance of the timbres, yes, I believe your correct in your assumption that iTunes is 'clearing' them out, if memory serves me, recently here on the AB forum, wasn't a thread created about an app manager that cleaned up an iDevices memory, removing data from different apps cache folders and as @sonosaurus states this area can be non-permanent. To stop this, I think you would have to stop iTunes auto-syncing, for me I have been using iFunbox on my PC, which doesn't have iTunes installed, my timbres remain on my iPad, so as you have found, I would say it's iTunes doing it's business. Off hand I can't remember the exact location but in Animoog's folder structure, but files with the same name as the timbre-wav files have corresponding files with I think the file extension .tbl, these I assume are the 'analysis' files of the wav-timbre files. Maybe @RUncELL, is encountering a similar problem with iTunes as you are. I hope you find a way around this inconvenience, but as always, back-up.
Well done OP...sounds brilliant !
Thanks @thomas - much appreciated.