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musicIO versus midimux
curious if these are functionally the same application?
Has anyone had any experience with both? Would love feedback.
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Don't forget MIDI LE which is free and (at least for a simple midi in/out) at the moment my fav. from these.
But these two will have more features and Audio too through update (audioIO) or seperate app (Audiomux). I think Midimux can create more than one virtual midi ports while musicIO use just one via soundflower. Please stop me someone if i talk shit.
Sorry - not answering your question - but I tried Midi LE yesterday and it worked fantastically over USB cable.
Mac (OS 10.9) to iPad iOS7.1 (I tried midi going both ways actually)
Round trip latency about 1.5ms
Its completely free.
So I too would be keen to hear what musicIO and midimux could offer
Try playing faster sequences with Midi LE, the latency starts to dip occassionally to around 20 MS and that was it for me, gave Music IO a try, rock solid latency.
Mmhhh maybe i should test the three with the recorded midi notes of an fast 128 triplet arp.
I was trying it with a 6 instrument drum and bass drum kit playing 4ths, 8ths and 16ths and some 32nds at 170BPM.. Mac 2011 into iPad Air. All just on channel 10 into Gadget.
Worked pretty well for about an hour constantly streaming midi. Once in the session it got chugged up for about 30secs. Apart from that was fine.
Who will be the first to get the audio version out? First to support windows? OSX 10.6.8?
When they get audio, will these apps make the iConnectMidi2+ redundant?
+1
Audiomux has already been submitted to Apple ( a day or two ago), waiting for review.
They said Windows version of midimux is basically done, and are working on the audio now.
Good question.... at least for me since i can use it without an extra device and this while i charging my iPad at the same time trough the usb to lighning cable....which i broke a few minutes ago... again....
@cinebient - what do you use to charge and sync at the same time? Standard USB ports don't provide enough current (although in my experience the trickle is enough to sustain and already charged iPad for a long time).
My iPad will be just charged trough my MacBook when i connect it via the lightning to usb cable. At lest i wondered last time because after a few hours of play my iPad had 100% battery
I had connected my Macbook too with cable. So i have to try it still without connecting my Macbook and using just the battery. But at least i can charge my Macbook which charge my iPad or iPhone (or booth?) and i need not a ton of devices and cables to get that work. This should have been implemented by apple years ago without having to use third party apps....
I wonder what's changed after all these years that suddenly this is possible from 2 devs at the same time.
If all you do is iPad to computer, probably. If you want MIDI in, or computer to computer, no.
I'd love to see 10.6.8 support but I'm wondering how feasible it would be for the audio side after what Patrick said in another thread and audiomux having a minimum of 10.7. Would be nice if musicIO supported 10.6 on the midi side, been trying it out on 10.10 to mixed results as I haven't set up iac yet, but worked well with things like polychord on the ipad and absynth in standalone.
But if someone did manage to get audio support for 10.6 it would make a lot of people happy, as I'm seeing in comments on various sites a lot of people still using it for music, even though generally most have moved on. When I boot into yosemite it takes a while for all my icons on the desktop, especially jpegs, to load there icon previews, on snow leopard got far more icons onscreen, yet it happens loads faster and all the services on the right side of my menu bar load much quicker, boots much faster for me too, altho I'm comparing at .8 release to a .2 so things might smooth out more, so far I like yosemite, second favourite osx after snow leopard.
I'll probably end up buying audio/midimux bundle, as I like the multiple midi channel support for different apps, use both musicIO and the mux's for different tasks, bit gutted my mbp doesn't support bt4/le as there are a few other things I'd like to play with. Also a bit gutted apple doesn't fully utilise all that potential of ios and osx link ups for music even if it's just between their own music software, 3rd party and different platform support would be the icing and a potentially large creative bliss cake, yet they have left the door wide open for things like wist, ab, ac/p, audioshare, apollo apps and all these new things, would love to see au's, vst's and lightning become more like thunderbolt for soundcards and external drives though.
Figured I'd chime in here -- the midimux/audiomux team are doing nice work; we're taking different approaches, and have made a few technical decisions differently. With the Music IO team (myself, plus Dan from MIDI Designer and Nic from Audeonic), we decided to make a single unified app for both audio and MIDI. That's probably the biggest difference -- we thought that having everything in one place was an important thing to do for usability. The integration also lets us do a few things easily; we've got a few tricks still up our sleeves.
Which one do you go with? That's up to you (and frankly, I'd suggest getting both options -- it's not like it's highway robbery with either). We've got some things planned that will differentiate our app from theirs a bit, and I'm sure they've got some plans too.
There are many solutions popping up that use USB now -- when Duet Display got approved, it was clear that Apple was OK with people sneaking data across USB (where that had been very sketchy before). Now that it seems OK for developers to use it, expect to see many things rolling out.
I think this is a really interesting time for iOS music making. Some great things are now possible, where it had been blocked before. It's not quite the solution that Apple should have built into iOS/OSX years ago, but it's getting pretty close.
@SecretBaseDesign: Then i might ask you too.... can i record at least 24bit audio with your coming audio update then?
@Cinebient -- yes. (and that may reveal a technical decision we've made differently....)
Great, thank you!
24bit audio brings a smile to my face, looking forward to it.
I bought both apps and am happy with both. It's still early days for all of this but being able to connect all of the devices and iPads together with the Mac is kind of like the Wild Wild west with Midimux as I keep having to shut connections down to avoid duplicate midi connections. I had four iPads, a midi keyboard, a hardware synth, a Korg Volca Sampler, and a midi pad controller all connected together. Using Lemur, Thesus, and various other midi controller apps and Logic Pro which often became overwhelmed with all of the traffic coming it's way plus a USB interface on recording into Logic Pro. I figure I'd better come up with viable midi setups before the USB audio apps arrive so I can get a better handle on things so there isn't audio feedback which would be a real mess.
It's going to be interesting to see how the developers document how to use their apps as it could be a real nightmare trying to support people who are wanting to setup various sorts of midi/audio connections between hardware, iOS synths, midi controllers, DAWs and similar apps on OSX and Windows as well as between iOS devices. Perhaps some sort of database like Audiobus has for its support in apps would be good so people can get a better handle on what's viable, work arounds, and various typical sorts of setups. Being able to save presets of setups with room for notes seems like a very good idea.
It'd be nice to have an option to have a server app on the iOS end of things so that you could do USB networking without needing a computer so that people could collaborate or use multiple devices at the same time such as one device being a controller and the other a synth you're tweaking.
I really hope they make it for Window users eventually?