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Midi rhythm juggling app
Anyone know if there is one?
I'm thinking something along the lines of the looper presets in Turnado, the Beat flutter pad in Electribe, the freeze pad in elastic drums, the 'variations' pad in Realbeat (which is great)... But for midi notes. You get the idea.
I guess it would need to be part of a sequencer of some sort. Something to cleverly remix / mess up / glitch, a set pattern.
Anyway, any thoughts appreciated.
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I would like to know this too! I do pattern juggling a lot in SeekBeats, but that doesn't send MIDI notes.
I've used the flip and transpose buttons in Xynthesizr to mess with patterns on the fly, and record the notes into MultitrackStudio...
Thanks. I have Xynthesizr. I'll give it a try. But I want a bit more than just flip and transpose.
I'd really love a pad to do it to be honest. Controlling the loop amount and start point maybe. The Realbeat one is great. The 'hold' on the electribe beat flutter pad is also nice.
Genome has that ability to loop but it's not via-pad (you tap the loop points themselves on a grid).
StepPolyArp can do some cool MIDI-based "warp" type effects that kinda sound like old Autechre (pun intended).
MidiSequencer can have very odd results if you start really playing around and mangle a sequence in real-time (gates, MIDI FX, etc). I need to explore this one further, guessing a lot of things could be triggered via-external CC or PC that would do cool things.
Then there's a classic trick of just running a sequencer in random order (if it lets you).
One last suggestion: Gestrument. You can write some seriously crazy phrases of MIDI with this app and it's all pad controlled.
How does the SPA tip work?
Thanks @calcutta I forgot about Genome. Will try that.
Please tell re: SPA
The sequencer in Thor allows random mode as far as I remember. But then I'm not sure it does midi out.
I'll try Gestrument again. Didn't really get it previously. Any advice appreciated.
Thanks for the detailed answer by the way. Appreciate it.
With StepPolyArp, when you tap on an event and the "event edit" screen comes up, using a combination of note repeat and acceleration (as well as the probabilities and velocity curves). This gives cool results, for example, when triggering an acoustic guitar sound (sounds like Four Tet).
BStep can ratchet Gadgets (with swing).
You could sequence with Robotic Drums and just have ai love you of the notes set to various probabilities. You can assign each "drum pad" to send any midi note you'd like.
What you are looking for is Yamaha Mobile Music Sequencer. It's ugly as sin, but extremely useful. The remix function is amazing and found nowhere else. If you're looking to do something like Turnado, but with MIDI, definitely check it out:
Ah. Thanks @Zetagy . I bought it (cheap) and mothballed it.
I will check it out.
THANK YOU SO MUCH @Zetagy !!!!!
Yamaha Mobile Music Sequencer turn out to be pretty damn close to what I was looking for...
It would still be nice if someone built an app to do this on an x-y pad (just for creative flow) - but with YMS - flicking between their variations in the remixer is very cool. I have still to work out what the second page of the remixer is all about - but it looks like you can save extended, remixed patterns or something.
Anyway, this discovery is gonna be extremely useful I think... tried it with a drum pattern - but i'm thinking it could be great for all sorts of of melodic parts too. It's all gonna get fed in to Gadget recording the midi...
I'm a happy man.
@Matt_Fletcher_2000 you're welcome-!
Remix page 2 is for an additional remix variations, layered over the first. The buttons numbered 1-16 at the bottom are the measures where the remix is active in the section. In order to use all 16, you need to go to the Section Edit / Other button to set the length. The remix type 1-16 is where things get awesome, as that sets the rhythm of the remix. By using the two remixes, rhythm types, and active measures, all overlapping...well you can get some pretty wild pattern variations out of it. Read the manual, pretty great stuff in there...
The app on the whole is one of the most underrated workstations in my humble opinion. It has amazing patterns built in, including the QY stuff, and you can make your own patterns when needed. It's clip-based, with a separate timeline like Ableton. It's got decent onboard sounds but more importantly can drive 8 Midi channels, it can reharmonize clips based on chords entered in, it can extract chords from iTunes audio tracks and make a chord tab to use, it's IAA and Audiobus compatible, and last but not least it's universal so you can put it on the phone and the pad. Definitely one of the most powerful tools out there-!
@Zetagy - yep... it's pretty amazing from what i've seen so far...
The remix tool alone is, as you say, pretty wild. I just figured the remix type 1-16 thing... it basically multiples the possible remix patterns by 16. And the 'active measures' thing is very cool... for example allowing you to just have the variation happen on the 4th, 8th, 12th and 16th measures.
I'm finding that a lot of remix patterns don't really work (with the drum and bass drum pattern i've created anyway) but some do - and that's gold. And then of course you can choose to take the kick and snare out of the equation and then most stuff just works.
I'm seeing this really take the leg work out of crafting drum variations, fills, breaks, glitches etc.. of a whole track.
One further question... I guess the remix thing doesn't effect velocity? That would have been nice. Or is it simply that it's not sending the velocity cc out to Gadget properly? have you had much success sending velocity and midi cc's out?
And i've yet to explore the possibilities of patterns that can be reharmonised... but I'll be trying this too.
So far i'm loving it as a midi sequencer solution to end all midi sequencers - even if the UI is a bit clunky!
Thanks again for your tip... so useful!
I thought it did affect velocity. I recorded one of my re-mixed midi tracks into Cubasis and it had changes in the velocity. But I think it depends on the remix you use as I was just looking through the tracks that I recorded and some don't have any changes. I will have to experiment and see....
Edit: Just a note you can't see what Yamaha does to the remix inside the app, it just shows you the original midi data. Try out ROLL number 12. I think that one affects velocity. Actually, a lot of the ROLLs and FILLs affect velocity.
Thanks @Telengard... yes the rolls all sounded like the did affect the internal sound velocity. Just sadly they didn't seem to transmit this through to Gadget.
I also had a few weird things happen in Gadget which I suspect was from rouge midi cc's being sent - a drum instrument mysteriously got switched to reverse, another got panned hard right. But then this stopped happening after a restart... Might be an issue with Gadget.
I might get MidiMonitor involved and see exactly what it's sending out... At a push I could try something like: Yamaha > ProMidi > Gadget and try to retain the velocity that way...
For synth based stuff (or indeed drums) Yamaha also seems to have the full range of midi ccs you can automate i the pattern which is nice.
@Matt_Fletcher_2000
I have been tempted many times to get the hardware version (QY100 or QY70) of the app.
I like coming up with a melody and then running it through the app (MMS to Cubasis) it to get some ideas about changing the melody up.
Ah yes - velocity data now arriving when I try Roll 12... so that's cool... Thanks.
Think i'll get the QY pack IAP.
Despite some slightly odd anomalies, i'm liking this app a lot.