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Seek Beats update just out (Midi In)
-Midi in
-Global distortion and compression
-Other fixes and improvements
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Haven't tried the Midi In. But looks like you can now preview a drum hit as you tweak it's settings or envelope - without having to have the pattern playing.
The global compression and distortion effects also look pretty deep and configurable.
C2 up to trigger the 8 drums. C3 up to trigger each pattern via midi.
And...boner. That is such good news!
I've been playing with my old Alesis SR-16 drum machine. It's really fun and easy to use and syncs with everything without a glitch. Main problem is that the sounds are really lacking. Proposed solution: SR-16->MIDI Out->old iPhone 4s running Seekbeats->profit.
Oops....Beamaker 2 on iPhone can't trigger more than one note at the same time using IAA
....tried with Audiobus and the same except for the Audiobus panel in the middle of the screen...doh!
Would be nice if seek beats had its own song mode in order to sequence patterns, but it doesn't appear to.
2 questions:
does velocity in midi in work like velocity internally in the app. I.e. Can effect various parameters? That would be cool.
does anyone know if it's possible to have an internal pattern that has the grid giving 32nds and allows a 2 bar pattern? I couldn't see a way.
not sure about the velocity question but in sequence length advanced settings you can change number of steps to 32 and steps per beat etc
How does this compare overall to Elastic Druns - they both have generative elements which is my main interest
Thanks @Carnot. But I think what I want is not possible since I'd need a grid of 64 steps to achieve it (2 bars each with 32 divisions). Never mind. Guess I can use an external sequencer now. Or make a pattern for each of the bars.
Also a shame that you can't recall snapshots via midi. That would be great.
I'm currently trying, in my head, to work out a good way of getting Seek Beats into my Gadget based workflow. Ideas are:
record various seek beat patterns to audio then throw into Abu to play back / remix. Bit of leg work recording and importing 2 bar patterns - but could be very workable. I don't like committing to audio too early though.
having pro midi sequence a whole track of different seek beat sections - and sync pro midi to gadget while composing (allows for tweaking SB while composing). Finally record whole seek beats track in sections to Auria - using snapshots to spice things up. Take all gadget tracks into Auria too. The problem with this is that syncing pro midi to gadget requires loopy as the clock and is a bit fiddly and involves 4 apps running during composing. Bit of a passion killer. (edit: or Auxy might be better for this if it syncs)
prey to the iOS music Gods every day that Auria Pro will come out and have a great piano roll to rival Gadget's (with a scale mode). Then ditch Gadget and use seekbeats (iAA) into Auria plus the new Auria synth for everything.
@JC_vt see @Taroface 's answer here re ED vs SB
http://forum.audiob.us/discussion/8152/great-seekbeats-update/p1
Personally I prefer the sounds and the workflow of SB - but I think that's subjective.
Yes I see what you mean now
I guess something like Genome (and yes as you say, Pro Midi) would be up to the job. I tried midi note triggering earlier and it worked well from Genome although I've not tested pattern triggering.
The sequencing is something I hope will be added to Seekbeats, this is where Elastic shines for me at the moment, that and the effects + automation. Just pick and play though I prefer Seekbeats, no pads yet in Elastic either. Both are great apps though.
I sometimes sync Gadget with Midiflow less of a footprint than Loopy, works well and you can save a preset.
Good update, always welcome, but I would really (really) like a song mode.......
Mmm. @carnbot thanks. MidiFlow you say? An app I don't have (I believe).
Just tried firing Seek Beats from Auxy and it works nicely for basic drum hits. No midi clock in or out from Auxy though
Would also be nice to have the drum name displayed. Maybe by the M/S buttons.
Also in the edit page next to 'Drum 1-2' etc.. Those titles there are not needed, as we can see the drum number top right.
That msg was for the Developer
Apart from those, I've always liked SeekBeats sound!
Yes, although I'm finding recently that any external clock I use to drive Gadget eg Midiflow, Genome or Loopy makes Gadget playback at twice the bpm of the clock. So for example if the track and bpm in Gadget is set to 100, in order for Gadget to sync at that speed I have to set Loopy at 50 bpm.
not a huge problem in of itself as I can set it to half but when using multiple apps it's annoying. It would be good to know being a Gadgeteer if you also experience this with Loopy? (bit off topic I know)
Just added 'Midiflow' to my AppStore wish list. Will look into that one.
@carnbot yes, I've had this happen. It's because Gadget is receiving two midi clocks so it doubles the tempo.
It's probably that loopy is sending out its clock to a general virtual midi and also you've told it to send to gadget. So Gadget is getting it twice because Gadget listens for all midi. Try deselecting Gadget in loopy. Unintuative as that sounds!
Basically it's getting the clock twice. So you need to locate why and then switch off all but one source.
Edit: midi clock is quite processor intensive too I believe (because it's continally firing) - so best not to have it linked twice).
Brilliant, thanks that makes sense I'll give that a go, Gadget's all seeing midi eye is a bit evil like Sauron's
It's a pain in the ass
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I realise that if I'm trying to make a track with gadget but using seek beats as the drum machine, I'll run into problems using TC data to fire midi notes at gadget for leads... Because the synth will no doubt pick up the midi I'm firing at seek beats from pro midi. Hmm. Wish Gadget had midi out. That would make things a lot simpler.
All Korg Gadget's fault! It is exclusive at the moment!
Yep. I would agree it's (mostly) Gadgets fault for not being a proper DAW and playing nicely with the others.
Update: I've given up.
I did get midi flow to sync both Gadget and Pro Midi (which was driving Seek Beats) but man, I forgot what a hassle it all is.
I think Seek Beats has an issue with its midi in where (after 20 mins or so) it seems to have its midi port crash and apps can no longer see it. Restarting Seek Beats doesn't fix it. You have restart the iPad. It's no way to compose music. Too frustrating.
My only realistic option for putting Seek Beats into my workflow is:
mess around in SB with Gadget playing a bass line or something in the background, getting a load of cool SB sounds going and some patterns maybe.
then when finished sample each and every SB sound (probably as individual hits in '16 hit waves', or possibly some pre rendered 2 bar patterns) for import into Abu Dhabi in Gadget
re sequence in Gadget (manually recreating the patterns I made in SB) and build full track from there in Gadget.
It's a shame because I'll lose the ability to modulate the SB drums with that cool velocity based modulation and I'll lose the ability to smoothly transition through drum sounds using the randomisation slider in SB. I'll also not be able to tweak SB's sounds after this process (without re sampling, cutting, re importing etc). It's basically just creating a personal drum 'sound pack' from SB and importing it to Gadget.
But so be it. It's too much hassle to build a whole track the 'live linking apps via midi' way. I knew this from old pre Gadget frustrations - but I think I'd forgotten.
I'm hoping a full featured midi gadget is on the update list. I wouldn't mind if it was an IAP gadget rather than just an update even.
Alternatively you could finish off your Gadget track with a rough drum track from Gadget. Export the stems and pick up in soon to be released Auria Pro making a new automated Seekbeats drum track with that.
I want to try and make a whole track with Genome as that seems quite Gadget like (It autosaves too, something I discovered yesterday to my delight after forgetting to save) and Modstep is also coming..... but then Gadget does have an appealing workflow, less apps = less hassle.
I agree less apps = less hassle.
I'd be interested to hear how you get on with Genome.
The more I play with Seek Beats midi in the more broken it seems unfortunately.
I had Yamaha mobile music sequencer sending midi in to SB successfully on my iPhone 6 (iOS 8). My thinking being that I could sketch out a bassline and maybe some other parts in Yamaha and then send the midi to gadget later. Meaning I could stetch on my phone which is nice. But create the drum part in SB at the sane time.
But it just stops every 2 minutes or so. Again seems like SB midi in crashes. I restart SB and mess around turning its various midi options on and off until it starts playing again (weirdly turning clock sync on and off seems to jolt it into action). Then 2 mins later the midi triggering just crashes again.
Guess I should mail the dev.
definitely , he's one of the good ones and has been very responsive in the past.
don't forget to ask him to put a sequencer play button in every screen that it would be useful in like the edit pages so you don't have to keep going back to the seq page while you're editing sounds just to hear how they sound in context of the pattern!!!