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Auria plug-ins question

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  • edited April 2015

    Yep! That ReTune can be a pain in the... ReTune!

    Funnily enough it seems to work great in some projects I have, and in others, well.. not so!
    I spoke to the developer about it, who seems oblivious to the issues?

    Re: AUTOTUNE, I emailed the Developer a short while back, I suggested a few things, one of which was an edit page etc. (She) seems very interested and said it would not be that difficult to implement.
    So who knows..

  • @richardyot said:
    While Retune ain't no Melodyne, it's no worse than any other vocal tuning FX available on iOS. I've compared it to VocaLive, Singaling, Vio, TC Helicon and Autotune - they're all pretty poor so I actually use Retune more than the others. The Autotune one (supposedly powered by Antares) is the worst, it's not tuned to standard tuning, so it will actually create out-of-tune performances.

    There's also the option of using none of them! If they're all pretty poor then that says something. For what it's worth, I also hate melodyne, auto tune, and reaper's tune. I've used all of them at different times begrudgingly, but singing well in the first place (or realizing you can't sing as I have had to do) is the best solution to all of it. If I hear one more robot pop song...I guess that's why I don't listen to the radio very often.

    But, if someone can use them to good result, then that's good. I'm not one of them though.

  • edited April 2015

    @mrufino1 said:
    but singing well in the first place

    Well yes, that's the ultimate aim. I've only been singing for a year, and while I have made enormous progress from a very low baseline, at the moment my singing has many rough edges so I have no shame in giving it a helping hand. I'm hoping that with another year or two of practice I'll get there, but it seems to early too throw in the towel right now.

    A lot of people give up on singing early on, but I'm sure it's just like playing an instrument, it takes time to get good.

    Anyway I think there are plenty of legitimate uses for autotune, in my case it helps me record songs that otherwise I couldn't do, others use it more creatively. If it helps people sing all the better, because songs with vocals are generally much more interesting than instrumentals.

  • Fair enough. I'd probably use it on my voice. But my voice is the reason I play bass... :-)

  • Yeah, who knows, if another year or two of singing doesn't work out I might have to buy a bass :)

  • Good singers and good bass players are rarely out of work. Good singing bassists are NEVER out of work.

  • @richardyot said:
    A lot of people give up on singing early on, but I'm sure it's just like playing an instrument, it takes time to get good.

    I think this is hugely true. We all expect to put in the time to get better at anything involving something else (keyboard, string-thing or even ragged pencil) but the majority are told they can't sing (like Pavarotti/Adele) from the get go and, well, that's that then....there is also the inherent shame. If one plucks out a half-competent-still-improving acoustic version of 'Stairway to New Orleans' folks encourage you (mostly), but when most consider warbling in a higher key in public it is presumed the tolerance meter will be very low...

  • edited April 2015

    @monzo said:
    ... but it still looks a bit cheap, particularly the top section. Could do better.

    I agree. Particularly the "it's a shame" part. It's awfully good software—it deserves a couple of passes from a great designer. I think the typography is the main problem (like in the top bar) but I'm not a great designer. :)

    I'm digging the dark/flat/vector design elements. Still, it somehow looks kinda (undeservedly) low budget.

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  • After watching the Reaper community make so many skins both good and bad, I have realized there is no one interface look that will please everyone, but some that may not be aesthetically pleasing are the most practical... Some.

  • edited April 2015

    @syrupcore said:

    I'd agree - the typography is the main culprit. Font sizing/weight is inconsistent and badly aligned on some dropdowns. The text generally looks cramped so a rethink on the layout might be an idea, or smaller or condensed font. Random capitalisation, e.g. 'Preserve Note Lengths' and primary colouring don't help the slightly amateurish look and feel either.

    Not major issues, but it's the little things that can let down an otherwise ok UI.

    @Martygras said:
    some that may not be aesthetically pleasing are the most practical... Some.

    Good, functional design doesn't have to look utilitarian.

  • I think Auria Pro looks quite a bit better than Anything Abelton. ;)

  • edited April 2015

    @High5denied said:
    I think Auria Pro looks quite a bit better than Anything Abelton. ;)

    I think Ableton were making a bit of a statement with that UI, and it did come at at the start of the 'flat design' frenzy. Personally I don't like it. It's functional but dull, and doesn't really inspire you to create magnificent work. But the design is consistent, so looks professional, and the flatness means you can get more stuff on a laptop screen.

    Basically if you're going for a flat, minimal UI then make sure it's good, as there's nowhere to hide.

  • To be honest I'm starting to hate Aurua with a passion. Just recorded a track via AB, no problem. Tried to record a second track (still in AB, using same instrument as first track) and get an error message saying the in app effect isn't responding. Reboot everything, same thing.

    I'm struggling to feel the love for this one, and about 30 minutes from requesting a refund.

  • edited April 2015

    Auria does not crash on me. I rarely use audiobus with it though. I think it's the general state of iOS causing crashes because the ecosystem is not really encouraging apps to work together, which is a shame.

    I use auria mainly as a mixing platform, but to be fair most of what involves recording bands live. Here's a link to my page, everything except monkey gone to heaven was mixed entirely in auria, one song was even mixed in the car. The album was mastered by a mastering engineer, the singles were a hodgepodge of home mastering.

    http://shutterwax.bandcamp.com

    Auria has the tools to do great work (my skills are developing, I learn something new every day) and I look forward to its continued growth, it absolutely redefined my workflow in a very good way.

  • @mrufino1 said:
    Auria does not crash on me. I rarely use audiobus with it though. I think it's the general state of iOS causing crashes because the ecosystem is not really encouraging apps to work together, which is a shame.

    How do you record from Audiobus? What's the procedure? I must be doing something wrong somewhere...

  • What version of iOS @monzo? What iPad? Like @mrufino1 I very rarely have any crashes with Auria - been using it since iPad 1 days without many issues. Tell us what you're doing in a bit more detail and maybe we can help some more.

  • @MusicInclusive said:
    What version of iOS monzo? What iPad? Like mrufino1 I very rarely have any crashes with Auria - been using it since iPad 1 days without many issues. Tell us what you're doing in a bit more detail and maybe we can help some more.

    Thanks, I'm on iOS 8.3, Air 2.

    Track 1 was SeekBeats > FLUX > Auria via Audiobus. Aria recorded it ok, but created a second blank track for FLUX. I deleted this, and froze the SeekBeats track. This played back fine.

    I then created a second blank track, and tried recording the same AB chain into it. There was no sound, despite the meters in FLUX moving. I tried adding the instrument, and then FLUX to the track via the FX channel link and input selector but got the error message.

    I'm probably doing something wrong, guess I'm used to Garagebands ease of use where you just create a blank track, press record and go!

  • edited April 2015

    Triad again to record the second track using IAA. Loaded in SeekBeats then FLUX, and recorded the track. When I played it back, there were no effects recorded, just SeekBeats, and a blank FLUX track. Froze the track to see if it picked up the effect. It didn't, and seems to have reduced the sound quality.

  • @monzo said:
    Triad again to record the second track using IAA. Loaded in SeekBeats then FLUX, and recorded the track. When I played it back, there were no effects recorded, just SeekBeats, and a blank FLUX track. Froze the track to see if it picked up the effect. It didn't, and seems to have reduced the sound quality.

    I hate this app.

    You might need to read the manual :)

    Anyway when recording an IAA instrument you need to press and hold the record enable button and select "record effects".

  • edited April 2015

    I think the problem I have is that there are still issues with a lot of apps, particularly via AB. I just tried again, and it took me about 6 attempts to get iFretless to play through FLUX, into Auria, via AB. iFretless continually crashed, along with error messages from FLUX and no sound in Auria, until I finally found the right loading combination to get them to work. Even then there's no recording controls in iFretless so I have to quickly flip back and forth between Auria and what I'm recording.

    And when finally, successfully recording my second track I had a big CPU overload warning. Well yes, obviously running three apps and recording a second track is going to kill an Air 2 with 2gb RAM.

  • First, breathe. No need to hate auria. ;-)

    Yes to IAA record effects setting.

    Audiobus: it sounds like when you created the new track you need to go to the routing matrix and select those inputs for audiobus. It does it automatically when you first insert an effect in the audiobus chain but to do it again you need to route it manually.

    Also, if you are not hearing things through audiobus, make sure audiobus monitoring is selected in your auria preferences.

    Yes, garageband is simpler. The two apps have very different purposes, and I use them both. If you're more comfortable tracking in garageband, do that, the. Export the tracks to mix in auria. It's a bit of a roundabout process but it can be done.

    Stick with auria though, it's not that crazy to learn. Some time with the manual will definitely help, and there's good tutorials too. If there's something specific you don't understand tell me. I'm off from work this week and can post a video or two if you have specific questions. I have a few short videos of varying quality on my youtube channel as well.

    There's two others up there as well for importing tracks into auria from a computer DAW.

    Taking requests, I have time in the next 4 days so actually if anyone has any requests tell me. I have a zoom video camera now that should do a better job than what I was doing before.

  • Oh, also, you may want to record the one app ifretless or whatever, into auria, then use flux as an IAA on the track, then mix it down and re-import it (that's an option in the mixdown settings). CPU and procrastination of decision saver... I don't have flux or ifretless so I can't say I'm familiar with any issues with either one.

  • edited April 2015

    @mrufino1 said:
    First, breathe. No need to hate auria.

    Thank you for the advice, and the kind offer to help - I'll have another look tomorrow. The idea if recording into GB and using Auria for mixing is a good one too, as that's definitely lacking in GB.

    Just tried your suggestion with the input matrix settings and that's helped. Auria seems to have it's own way of doing things, so I'll need to learn it's quirks to get the best from it.

  • Yeah GarageBand is more of a sketchpad and Auria is what you use to make the album. I feel bad that you are having such bad luck. I do think trying different approaches might help like mrufino said about using flux as an IAA. I'm also one of those who don't have troubles with Auria, but I don't have any of the apps you are using. It is very possible that iFretless or Flux is using an older Audiobus SDK or something else that is outdated or problematic.

    I also agree with richardyot about getting deeper into the manual. You didn't seem to know about the "long press" on the record button and that is one of those little, but important gems to know.

    I've read the manual over an over and still can't remember everything though so I refer to it a lot.

  • Did you try iFretless as IAA insert 1, and Flux as IAA insert 2? I have had difficulties with Auria and AB before and find some IAA routings more stable. Depends though. Sometimes it's the opposite!

  • @Martygras said:
    Yeah GarageBand is more of a sketchpad and Auria is what you use to make the album. I feel bad that you are having such bad luck. I do think trying different approaches might help like mrufino said about using flux as an IAA. I'm also one of those who don't have troubles with Auria, but I don't have any of the apps you are using. It is very possible that iFretless or Flux is using an older Audiobus SDK or something else that is outdated or problematic.

    I also agree with richardyot about getting deeper into the manual. You didn't seem to know about the "long press" on the record button and that is one of those little, but important gems to know.

    I've read the manual over an over and still can't remember everything though so I refer to it a lot.

    Thank you - yes back to the manual and YouTube tomorrow!

  • @Fitz said:
    Did you try iFretless as IAA insert 1, and Flux as IAA insert 2? I have had difficulties with Auria and AB before and find some IAA routings more stable. Depends though. Sometimes it's the opposite!

    I just went with the default and it created the two tracks. Tried again with mrufono1's suggestion and it recorded the AB input plus effect into one channel as I wanted - seemed to be a bit of latency though.

    The AB issues are doing my head in a bit, it doesn't help when it randomly works or doesn't work, when you're also trying to figure out input matrixes!

  • Picture the input matrix like a hardware patchbay, same concept. In fact, auria follows an analog paradigm, so it may help to think that way. Keep at it though, it will be easy in no time.

  • @monzo Understand the frustration (and it IS frustrating when shit is, well, shit), but as other more clever heads have noted Auria is a rich and worthwhile program. And I say this being a johnny-come-lately who only learned about the 'long press' thingie from reading this thread! Hang in if you're of a mind. Or go away and come back again etc. There are things on offer here, especially to someone of your abilities and proclivities, that are worth having.

    Side note @mrufino1: If'n you've got the week off, the Missus' car needs new brake pads and the north side of the house could do with a coat of paint (I have ladders) if you feel like a visit to ATX. Weather's quite nice.

  • @monzo said: (re:ableton) ... But the design is consistent, so looks professional

    ^ very this. It's the sort of stuff that seems so simple but caring about it is a huge part of what you're paying for when you hire a good interface designer.

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