Loopy Pro: Create music, your way.
What is Loopy Pro? — Loopy Pro is a powerful, flexible, and intuitive live looper, sampler, clip launcher and DAW for iPhone and iPad. At its core, it allows you to record and layer sounds in real-time to create complex musical arrangements. But it doesn’t stop there—Loopy Pro offers advanced tools to customize your workflow, build dynamic performance setups, and create a seamless connection between instruments, effects, and external gear.
Use it for live looping, sequencing, arranging, mixing, and much more. Whether you're a live performer, a producer, or just experimenting with sound, Loopy Pro helps you take control of your creative process.
Download on the App StoreLoopy Pro is your all-in-one musical toolkit. Try it for free today.
KORG Gadget Synths = KORG iMS20 or iPoly6 ?
Are the majority of synth sounds found on the various Gadget synths attainable through either or both Korg synth apps? If so, which ones?
Or are they proprietary to the Gadget App?
Thank you for your time and information.
Comments
Not sure if it's 'official' but some of the Gadget synths are slimmed down versions of some of the full synth apps. For example a couple of Gadget synths seem to be 'lite' versions of the iMS20.
Phoenix, Berlin and Dublin could be seen as some kind 'derivates' of iPolysix and iMS-20.
But it's nearly impossible to get say iPolySix to sound like Phoenix or Berlin, and Dublin even does something that the iMS-20 doesn't do (Pulse Width Modulation).
The effect sections in Phoenix, Berlin and Dublin are on the light side so I really do wish Korg could add extra insert effects in the mixer section of Gadget and well, add automatisation editor to the mixer similar to the standard tracks.
After getting Gadget long time ago I've hardly touched iPolySix or iMS-20...
It would be simply awesome to be able to use the 'gadgets' as separate IAA-Instruments in say Cubasis
@Samu - any chance you could give me a couple of paragraphs on the patchbay inputs of Dublin? I know you're very knowledgable on the actual workings of synths.
I was playing around last night and get some of it - but not all of it.
So for instance - i guess "shape" is where you can modulate the shape of VCO1 (which the pulse width modulation). Is that just gonna make one of the two oscillators sound waves sound a bit more wobbly if you do that. I can't get it to really do much if i'm honest!
And if you patch an LFO or the envelope to "VCO1" or "VCO2" what does that actually do? Is that modulating the amplitude (volume?) of each? If so - is it much different from patching to Gain?
And any other gems of wisdom would be most appreciated if you have a minute!
I love Dublin for making bass - but I want to really master that second page!
Thanks for taking time for feedback.
That being said.
In your opinion, what synth app(s) or app with a corresponding effect app have you found to most closely resemble the sound and parameters of MIAMI and BRUSSELS?
It is a shame that the additional Module Gadgets are not available for IAP. I don't have the space of need or IOS8, so MODULE is out of the question for the duration.
You can play the unison in polyphony in Phoenix. Not possible in iPolysix.
Miami is a pretty basic FM-type or waveshape-type synth isn't it? With a single modulation oscillator (X-MOD) modulating the single 'carrier' oscillator (doubled for the sub bass?). Then the wobble stuff is just for applying varying amounts of cut-off in a rhythmic way. The 'crush' is a just a bit crush effect, and it has a stereo widening knob.
Although the X-MOD oscillator seems to make it's own sound too - haven't figured that one!
So a synth like Nave, Z3ta, Thor, FM4 etc. etc... will give you similar sounds and much, much more i'd have thought - although you'll have to spend a bit of time with their LFOs to do the wobble thing in each of them.
As an aside... I believe one of sound generators is playing wav samples files because when Gadget screws up sometimes it kills it's sample files (due to memory I guess) but leaves the synths playing fine - and you hear synths like Miami and Wolfsberg cut or lower in volume.
Brussels I very rarely use. It's a big 'super saw' type sound isn't it? So probably any synths with a big supersaw unison patch? Maybe Sunriser? That seems to have loads of quite 'rave' sounding patches. Or Z3ta or Thor maybe? I reckon most synths could be made to sound like Brussels.
Hope that's of some help - and not tooooo incorrect from a technical point of view.
@Matt_Fletcher_2000 Did Samu answer with a pm? I could try to answer if he's not present.
@Matt_Fletcher_2000
The 'Dublin' patch bay is pretty limited, no way to do 'Y-Connections'(= same source, multiple destinations).
MG1 & MG2 are simple LFOs that can be tempo-synced and reset on key down. The extra envelope can be routed as needed (Most likely to VCF so it can act as a filter envelope). These are the 'sources'...
Destinations include 'Shape' of VCO1 that only affects the square-wave resulting in pulse width modulation.
Pitch of VCO1&2 is quite obvious. Other destinations are the speeds of both MGs/LFOs, VCF Cutoff, Levels of VCO1&2 + Noise and VCA that is also controlled by the VCA envelope on the first page.
As said it's pretty limited but for most basic synth sounds it's enough and not to forget it's possible to automate just about every parameter of the Gadgets using the sequencer
No doubt.
Z3Ta is tops for me. Woouuld love to transfer those MIDI presets out of there.
Thor is an easy go to, especially the ease of the sequencer. Great for DUB.
Nave is lovely. I just haven't ever had the hot and bothered romance with it. Sometimes I think it's me, not her. We will have our day.
Believe it or not, I still majority of the time use Alchemy. Personal presets mainly. Real instruments and Samples I use Beat Hawk. Before that Sampletank.
What do you use for normal instruments? I read your feeling on samples and Beat Hawk.
I think the things I like about Miami and Brussels are the controls. They are super intuitive for performance type pieces where tweaking is random and emotionally based.
Thanks @Sumu - very helpful. Good to have "'Shape' of VCO1 that only affects the square-wave resulting in pulse width modulation" confirmed. No wonder it didn't seem to have much effect on the triangle and saw waves!
Thanks @firejan82 - any other info much appreciated...
I never tried syncing oscilators in iMS20. Is that even possible? I'm trying it now, I can't figure it out.
I can't do it on my hardware MS20 so doubt it, though I think some have physically modified their synths with a switch to do it!
@firejan82 As far as I know no way to do oscillator sync in iMS-20
Ok. So I'm gonna ask the really dumb question. What exactly us is oscillator sync please?
@Rustik for real instruments I use what I can find really:
Gadget Marseille and I've just got access to the Module gadgets
Thumbjam
then samples from things like Beathawk or off the web, chopped up.
Garage band has good strings I think.
@monzo @Samu thanks.
I guess the 'lite' version thing is most true with Dublin. Can't find anything in it that can't be done in iMS20. But I do think it sounds slightly different.
@firejan82
Are you able to do pulse-width modulation in iMS-20? (Unless Korg has some hidden modulation options in iMS-20 i don't think this can be done).
Is the Gadget synth a single oscillator? Sorry haven't got my iPad handy to check. I remember my mates MS10 sounded completely different to my MS20. Strangely enough the MS10 had a fuller sound.
@Samu
No. Nice. I was looking for something that it could do that the iMS20 couldn't but I guess just not hard enough. So since Phoenix can play polyphonic unison, Berlin does osc sync and Dublin does pulse-width modulation they all do something that can't be done in iMS20 or iPolysix. That's enough for me to not call them 'lite' versions.
@monzo Dublin - 2 oscilators + a noise oscilator(generator?)
I know how it sounds and how to do it in most of the synth apps I have that can do it but the definition wich I've heard or read many times is just too scientific for me to even try to explain. It gives the sound a certain type of grit.
Here's a link about it from the Thor demystified series
https://www.propellerheads.se/blog/thor-demystified-2-amplitude-modulation-and-sync
Basically you sync the second oscillator to the first, meaning every time the first oscillator completes a cycle, the second oscillator starts again too, no matter where it is in it's waveform. In essence you're "breaking its cycle" so it gives an edge because the wave doesn't return to zero before starting again. It's harder to write than it is to draw it. The Thor series does explain it (and everything else) really well!
Going back to the original thread, Marseilles is basically a selection of Korg X5d preset patches, minus the really good Pianos & Organs, (possibly to not impact Module sales).
I'm using an old X5d as my full size keyboard and an Irig mini on the go, so it's ironic triggering emulations of sounds that the keyboard makes anyway!
I have a couple of cheap hardware synths that do this: Moog MG-1 and the microKorg. Basically, it affects the timbre instead of the pitch to produce a more complex sound (1:10).
Edit: Sorry - didn't see all the great responses above! Thanks guys!
Would someone be able to quickly explain osc sync please?
Presumably its syncing one osc to the other but how? Simply starting the cycle at the same time (don't all 2 osc synths do this?). Or are the osc having an effect on each other in some way?
Thanks @mrufino1 that's a brilliant explanation and I get it perfectly. Makes sense why it would add grit. I'm gonna try exploring it more in Berlin.
Feel like a freshman sitting in on a post-grad class. Great stuff.
Let's say Oscillator 1 is 1hz and oscillator 2 is 1.5hz. Oscillator 2 will complete a full cycle and be partway into its next cycle when oscillator 1 finishes its first full cycle. Therefore oscillator 2s wave shape has an abrupt cut back to zero and begins a new cycle again. That gives oscillator 2s output a harmonically different flavour than it would if it were not synced to 1.
OK, thanks - so now I get the theory - I don't see an obvious way to apply it in Berlin...
I see one main osc (VCO). I see that it can be modulated by the LFO or by the EG. But Dublin has this capacity too (although doesn't have 'sync').
I dunno what the "tone" and "balance" sliders do...
I'm stuck
Where's the second osc that cuts off the first one?