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I still do memorize music that way (press these keys in that order or make this gesture, if my memory fails I just shift the notes around by hearing till it fits again),
You are completely right, no theory needed for that
And I can read and write notation ... I just don't do it anymore
and I don't want to sing to what I am playing so I do not need to shift the key
Btw. I can't play microtonal with a 12 tone layout like this
Makes me completely crazy, lol
Just keys of same size that indicate octave is here, is fine
Well, people keep posting that McFerrin trick, but I dispute that it is in any way hard-wired or built-in, or even universal. How many people did you hear singing something else? You probably were unable to hear the ones that had other ideas, due to the mass crowd drowning them out, but all you’re doing there is paying attention to the majority and mistaking it for the crowd’s “own” direction because it is too loud and dominating.
This is my usual retort to the above video:
but it’s not magical or spiritual or ‘connected’, but rather, the drowning out of individuality by a mass, operating under the often seen “team” illusion.
are you sure you watched the same video as I did?
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they don't talk about esoteric bs about being spiritually connected or something
all they show is that most ppl can "agree" on the pentatonic (if you suggest it to them - bobby is suggesting it by giving them 2 of 5 tones and then hopping around
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pentatonic is a good trick if you have no clue, never sounds wrong ...
so if you are sitting infront of a piano and have no idea what you are doing just play only black keys in all kind of combinations, never sounds "wrong"
so all that is saying is that the pentatonic seams to be understood cross culture
what i found very interesting was the american singing woman who pitched her notes to major - and i was like hm, doesn't she hear what she is doing isn't what they played to her, its like she dropped sugar ontop of what she believed she heard, took her a while to get it ... ( and i am no expert on pitch and i grew up with only western music)
I guess not everyone is hearing these differences depending on what you are familiar with.
to come back to my point - this shows there is no universal logic in music as western music theory likes to pretend, music is not about physic and math and all that stuff, its just a weak way to explain it if you only think in 12 tones and major and minor so its a bad model to explain things ...
sorry for all the edits english isn't my native language
Having seens your videos, I figured that you must have dropped a ton of acid back i the day, so I'm surprised when you make comments like this that attempt to contradict Timothy Leary's Eight-circuit model of consciousness imprinting.
Isn't this more about personal preference, if not personality traits outright?
Some plan for days in advance. Others cringe at the word.
Some quarterbacks prefer scripted plays. Some change every other play at the line.
Tomato, to-mah-to, no right way or wrong way, just multiple paths to musical expression. Do it long enough, you'll spot the ghosts in the machine, even if you don't know their names. Good to know the lingo, certainly for session work, but hardly necessary to a solo performer or your average punk band. And don't forget the unauthorized "learn as you go" third option.
We might as well debate that cat meme ... Is it going up the stairs or down the stairs? Should it go up the stairs or down the stairs? I say let a cat be a cat and do it's thing, no need for commentary on how it gets from A to B ... Unless it's eating your house plants en route
There are two kinds of people:
1. Those who "failed" to imprint musical theory upon their psyches and are trying to "help" others from making the same "mistakes".
2. Those who "succeeded" and are trying to "encourage" others not to give-up.
There's no shame in #1 because that group makes very valid points that it's not easy, it's not elegant, and it might not be worth the effort. Personally, i think it is worth the effort, but i generally have more free time than those with kids and other commitments.
so lets say music theory is the grammar of the language music,
does that help me to write an interesting story?
nope
I can analyze what somebody else did and say: I see what you did there,
so its easier to pick up a few tricks, but I am not sure if it helps me with coming up with something original in the first place ...
This shouldn't be a black and white issue. The theory helps me, so I'll use it. I understand that that is not the soul of music, but it helps me with the structure and communicating with others. If it doesn't work for you, don't use it.
holy fuck
this thread got 2100+ views
who are all these ppl?
and why don't they say something?
^^
If big pharma came out with a pill that could increase a person's ability to grasp musical theory with no extra effort (like in the movie Limitless), it would be a #1 bestseller.
@JohnnyGoodYear i hear ya but having looked into NLP there are ways to optimise things so the hours are spent being effective as you can, stuff like meditation and resource anchoring. You've got to pay attention to the brain and how it's affected by the environment;. lifestyle diet etc.
@lala yeah i was oversimplifying but i forgot the exact details, was just trying to point out that it was based on physics so it has a purpose and why it's important.
I have to know theory cause the lowest note a club PA can play is G1 and the kick and bass should be tuned to that, same with percussion as well, once you understand harmo0ny and dissonance, ambiguity and stuff like that it can really open things up.
There are songs based on the harmonic series that have been huge hits and it's cause it was used to create the hook of the song or whatever.
I don't claim to be great at it but knowing some theory gives me something to fall back on when i get stuck and a creative framework to work in, usually when i start a track i'll go by feel initially and work out what scale i'm in after and and build on that.
Arrangement is another area where some theory can really help.
Okay so let me get this straight. There’s an audio frequency called A. Then there’s another one, and it’s called B? That’s music theory?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Music_theory
You're expecting more? ;-)
Trained soldiers and born killers. Folk are generally either, neither or both. Advantages and disadvantages all around.
Yes. Why not?
When i was a kid, i spent years just messing around with a guitar. It sounded ok until i learned the proper technique to fret a note for maximum vibrato, how to hold a pick properly, which pick thickness and shape to use, which string gauges to use, etc, etc. Obviously there's more than one way to skin a cat and what works for me, might not be the best for you, but until someone gave me specific tips, i was wasting way too much time with unfocused trial and error. And not making much progress. Maybe some people can just stumble into the right answers the first time they try and are clued-in enough to recognize it, but i wasn't so lucky.
Erm, better to be lucky than good? Or is that one of the backbones of this whole thread's contention?
Problem is, if everyone's learning the same scales, same chords, same techniques, same 'rules' for composition blah blah blah then the World will get variations of the same thing. A bit like the UK pop World is now. Musical revolution usually happens when you haven't got a clue what you're doing, and stumble onto something completely new. Dave Davies shoving a pencil into his speaker cone, Hendrix using his teeth instead of a pick, DJ's using decks instead of synths etc.
Good to have a mix of both I think. There's plenty of room for the rebels.
Yeah i don't really have that problem. Whenever i tell people that i've invented my own little private genre/niche, they're only skeptical at first. Originality doesn't seem to be much of an issue with everybody else on this board either. There's lots of really good "out there" stuff.
I think this has become particularly noticeable since the popularity of electronic music — the ability to copy something exactly in a DAW and an over reliance on machines to do the work (sequencers, arpeggiators, quantization, loops) has led to a lot of sameness. The tools (rather than music theory) have become the straight jacket.
Yes, and perhaps, but that's where the crazy poets come in!
It's not the tools. It's not the theory. People who sound like eveyone else, want to sound like everyone else.
I could do with a bit of assistance here. I wish to be restricted to the keys of :
F sharp;
G;
G sharp;
A,
B,
D
(and possibly F).
Is there an available known ‘scale’ or ‘mode’ or thing that this can fit into that most software synths have on their keyboards?
Nothing common but I found this scale ...
D ichikosucho (without the F)
Found at this site: http://www.scales-chords.com/
The Chromatic scale hahaha, but without the F - A Bebop Dominant, E Bebop Minor 2 or again Chromatic
Don't know about synths but ThumbJam includes these
Thanks. Bebop’s the thing then.
U0421793,---the answer Is Beebop,and Thumbjam,(it has more scales than your average fish) -----and of course people who can and like to steam words or sounds that have meaning to themselves into a mobile communication device and perhaps others, are called poets musicians and artists ,I rather like Tunesmiths .---- Apps are where it's at!,---That's why we're here ,--so in general terms, Tin Pan Rhythm et al. Allows anyone to knock out a number ,Good,Bad,Ugly ,the only skill I personally need is to be able to hear!