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Pull your finger out Devs!
I buy a synth/drum machine because I like the sound it is capable of. A sound I have heard in a preset demo or somebody has created and posted. So I buy the app and I like everybody else dive into the presets to gauge what the mammoth beauty is capable of. But I like, I'd guess, everybody else love some of them and dislike some of them. So why is there not a delete button or at least a hide or at worst like Z3ta a add to favourite option (still not acceptable really). There should be better control available of presets just like there is of the actual program so why is this not the rule as opposed to the exception?
The fact that we purchased your app shows we liked it. Give us better control over presets.
Pull your finger out!
- Should a delete button for presets you don't like be standard?20 votes
- Yes65.00%
- No35.00%
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I usually keep all the presets that an app ships with simply because one day i might like the preset and if i happened to delete it because i didn't like it the first time.
To keep things organised i usually copy the patches i like into to a user-bank...
What apps with huge sound libraries should do is offer the user to download the sounds instead of initially shipping with gigs of samples. (it's like shoving throat full of junkfood we did not ask to be fed with).
Most apps offer an option to re-install factory presets, i think the problem lies in where the app stores it's presets since an app-pakage is not allowed to modify itself.
So for an app to allow delete of 'preset data' the presets would have to be duplicated (or downloaded) to the the apps 'sandbox' so the user could then delete what he or she doesn't like...
I don't see this as a huge problem really...
That's not true. I rarely if ever go check out presets on a synth. I get a synth and the first thing I look for is an Initialization patch...
I may not look for init first, but after hearing a few presets to get an idea of the way the synth works, I'm absolutely programming my own.
Then again, it's been quite a while since I've purchased a synth and any that I bought would strictly be for want. Everything I do would be well covered by sunrizer and isem (maybe imini if it's actually stable now, I haven't tried).
Nice idea, but wouldn't be my first priority. I'm guessing devs have already got their work cut out keeping up with iOS updates, development and bug fixing.
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Sorry, wrong thread.
Can't speak for jocphone but his reply resonated with me because of the fairly dickish phrase "pull your finger out".
Asking for or generally discussing better preset management? Cool.
Assuming the reason you don't have the preset management you want is because the devs that are selling you $5-$20 synths have a finger in the ass? Not cool.
To me anyway. It's a free internet though, thankfully.
+1 on all points
Nothing like a good insult to get me started in the morning. :-)
was never any insult intent meant on my behalf, in fact I didn't even link pulling finger out as it being in arse till syrupcore suggested it!
Either way I'll not get involved in none niceties and insults, instead I'd rather wish you a nice day and life.
Whatever oriface was intended, it came across to me as you feel devs are lazy. Generalizations like that don't seem to mesh well with integrity.
I like the unspoken compact here (as in life), whereby devs who pay attention and play nice are afforded every kind of respect for doing so.
For me there is touch of laziness or ignorance in not having better preset organzitation. Do you not bother organising your daily routine, or cleaning your house or organization of files etc etc? of course you do and something as time consuming as music production requires as many helpful shortcuts as possible and better preset organization/options would be one of them. It's not a big ask or job to implement such a feature in the grander scheme of things and is definitely on the user friendly side of the fence! The only thing at risk is the patch producers bruised ego, should he/she ever know somebody didn't like there sound (your ego is not your amigo)! So exactly why isn't such a feature more prevalent ( a Dev's take on this one would be nice )?
Not everybody is a synthesis wizard and I like many find a preset that resonates with me then tweak it a little to make it my own sound. And before anybody whines (stay away from negative people they have a problem for every solution) that it's not my sound remember that the init patch you work from is not yours either! So therefore you are creating from another's source, just like somebody working from a preset. Just saying like!
Not quite sure what the meaning or intent was on your last 2 comments Johnny. They both flew over my head
http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/the_general_problem.png
My point isn't about the need for presets...it's about the approach.
Edit...I meant preset management.
That is rich.
To your question: there are only so many hours in a day. In order to make stuff happen (say, releasing apps), priorities have to be set and decisions have to be made. A given dev may not have the same priorities as you. A given app's users may not have the same priorities as you. If you think that's an indication that a given dev is "a touch lazy or ignorant", good luck.
Devs want to hear what you want. Better to speak up with bad table manners than to stay quiet.
Quite so. And I salute your attitude (again). But there are many tables in many different establishments and it seems that the majority of the diners who stop by here do so precisely because of the atmosphere and general conviviality.
Agreed. No reason to make people reluctant to be here.
^ especially developers.
Bingo.
So, I frequent this forum partly because of the afore mentioned atmosphere and general conviviality ( @JohnnyGoodyear - nice phrasing).
Now this part has nothing to do with the actual topic of the Post (better preset management - e.g. Ability to delete), but something about all the replies (off topic) prompted me to post.
IMHO , I believe that the title of the post has been misinterpreted. Please remember that we do not all live in the same little town, with a common history (or even a common language). @PsYAuM's use of "Pull your finger out" has apparently come across as derogatory/insulting and once this was pointed out,
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So putting that aside, it would seem the statement
has "upset" a few. OK, but it appears to be @PsYAuM's opinion and, again IMHO, a person should be able to voice their opinion. Doesn't make it True, but that's one of the reasons it's called an OPINION and not a FACT. Could it have been phrase more tactfully, yes.
And now for the onTopic comment:
I think this is a valid topic along with a number of other discussions on File management (deleting/replacing included samples/patches/presets, preset list sort selection, iTunes file sharing access to presets/patches now that 3rd party file access - iFunbox/iExplorer,... are history...).
To make any real progress in this area, I believe one needs to get a dialog going with the Dev('s) of the specific App('s) in question.
I don't believe the post Topic is going to draw many Dev's to read, let alone reply here.
@PsYAuM - I would suggest starting a new post with a descriptive (and seductive if possible
topic to draw comments from Dev's who visit this form. Perhaps "Lust for only sexy Presets - why un-deletable built-in defaults ?" (OK, I don't make a living from writing ads). Then use the information that may be brought to light on why and how it's possible to target correspondence with the individual Apps.
For sure, I think it's a valid topic. It's also a topic that has been discussed on this very forum a number of times in quite a bit of depth if I recall correctly (in both delete specific and broader preset management terms).
I also support free speech. That includes responses though!
Good morning beautiful souls (some being lost mind you
) As suggested in the post; your amigo is not your amigo!
You really must live in wrapped up in cotton wool land if you take insult to be called lazy or ignorant for not doing something, (that quite clearly the majority want) that has been called for many times Before.
I appreciate Ganthofer that you noticed and recognised that there was an apology given for any insult taken (but seriously come on, insult? lol, whatever) you are right we don't all come from little miss prim and proper towns. Some of us come from down to earth places where people have to cue for food banks and the likes!
i'm not going to change the topic, though I appreciate the intent of your suggestion. I'm not here to brown nose people insecure people or seek approval from anybody. I approve of me and that is all that matters!
Anyways have a beautiful morning everybody. It's meditation and yoga time for me
We seem to be switching from 'ignorance', 'laziness', and 'pull your finger out' to 'yoga' and 'have a nice life' in this thread. I can't keep up this early in the morning, I'm going to have my cornflakes in the iM1 thread.
I don't get (at least) half of Johnny's comments but appreciate them all the same as they add some literary beauty to this forum. They sure keep me on my toes. Every time I'm about to post I ask myself: what would @JohnnyGoodyear answer to that.
He's kind of arbiter elegantiarum of this place.
He does add a certain tinkle to the old place.