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Some questions about Multirackstudio
Hello, I found out for me, that I need an "one does it all"-solution for the iPad. I allready have Cubasis but the included pianoroll-editor is not my cup of tea. (Generally I love pianoroll-editing) What I also miss, is a sampler to expand the onboard-sounds.
Due to some threads here Multitrackstudio woke my attention. I've read already the manual but would like to hear some opinions about the quality of builtin effects and the piano-roll editor. Is the editor better implemented in MTS than in Cubasis - not that fiddly and more predictable?
As far as I understand the matrix-sampler in MTS, it is quit limited, but the soundfont-player is a huge plus.
Can you confirm, that there is no midi-learn for the buttons and controls in MTS?
Thanks in advance!
Comments
Check out Caustic. There are free desktop versions and a big update due out (hopefully) soon. Uses Soundfonts, samples, several built-in synths including a modular and FM. I find it overall less fiddly than other apps. The one downside for me is it doesn't import stereo samples but that is in the next update.
I can't say anything about midi learn, if you mean can the DAW be controlled via midi scripts with an external controller. I can say the editors in MTS (audio and midi) don't have a peer in iOS.
Matrix sampler isn't limited at all- the full capabilities of the MTS WAV editing tools are part of the sampler...
Here's a link to user created videos by a forum member that can shed some light https://www.youtube.com/user/WMSFLL/videos
Thanks, checked caustic already, but it was not for me. Somehow I did not liked the workflow and the ui. As far as I remember, it also does not do audio-tracks, which is important for me.
MTS is full of features (especially the full version which I do not have), quirks (e.g. transport or assigning instruments, bugs (MIDI recording, still not solved) and awkwardness (tracks like in FL Studio Mobile, no clips). You will never be happy with this as only solution, only as add-on. That was my hope to only use MTS, but accepted that Cubasis is the only ok app for the time being, getting more and more used to the piano roll in Cubasis (despite it crashing often, but not as often as Cubase on the Mac).
Caustic is a nice piece of work, I particularly like the song mode implementation, but for me it's a far too limited environment, as regards audio, and the UI, while mostly simple, also suffers (for me) from being, well, too simple.
I'm a huge fan of MultiTrackStudio - we users talk about it quite a bit on this forum. But it is primary just a very solid DAW. Yes, it has a sampler (added in version 1.5), and the integration of sampler, soundfont, internal instruments, external apps via IAA and AudioBus all into the piano roll editor is brilliant. But the individual components of MTS (the sampler, for example) are not the best iterations of that thing available anywhere on iOS.
Caustic is a very powerful app that continues to get better, and of course you could use Caustic tracks in concert with larger projects in MTS. Caustic, of course, does not have audio tracks to record guitars/external equipment, etc.
Can't speak to Cubasis vs. MTS (I have Auria but not Cubasis). MTS is great, but for your specific complaints, I'm not sure that MTS will address what you are looking for versus what you already have.
@JohnnyGoodyear
No doubt about that. I can't describe it but it didn't jump on me, like nanostudio for example. It seemed to me also more geared to android with it's little too small onscreen-keyboard. On android live-playing is perhaps not that of an option. The whole scrolling-thing in order to call up different screens wasn't my cup either. But it seems to offer great functionality, that aside.
@NeinNeinNein
That sounds not so good. I was just about, buying Module for Korg Gadget again, but came to the conclusion, that perhaps it is better, not to pump more money into this, cause it seems for me to limiting as a main daw and it's too much money for a secondary tool all in all - at least as long as interapp-communication (total recall, instances) is that limited and unstable.
In the end cubasis seems to be a keeper. Thanks to all for your feedback!
@neinneinnein
What are the MTS midi recording bugs?
Just wanted to mention that you don't always have to scroll to go to the machine of your choice. There are other shortcuts to directly access the screen you want.
That being said, I do agree with you on Caustic not having a GUI adapted for tablet size.
@Earsinn Not going to pump on and on about Gadget and I suspect it may matter what sort of sound/tunes you like to work on, but some folks here, self included, seem to have organically ended up concentrating on that environment, for now anyway. Probably as much as anything because it does offer/encourage the development and completion of work.
It's certainly true that once things are made there most of us are exporting into Auria (or elsewhere perhaps) to mix/effect further etc.
There are plenty of discussions that speak to this on the site, perhaps even take a look at the latest SOTMC thread etc.
@SirKen I have missed that obviously - wasn't that long, I've tried it.
I've spent my monthly budget on 2 books now, in order to develop my modest guitar-skills. As far as they will not just lying around, perhaps a better investment.:)
I have thousands of books that just lay around the place, gathering dust, but still probably the best apps I ever bought
@JonnyGoodYear
Agreed - it is a wonderful app and the only tracks I've ever published on soundcloud are been made with gadget. It gave me a fantastic creative boost.
But when I wanted to refine an existent track, I've reached limits to soon. For example, if I want to copy multiple scenes it is really fiddly and it's easy to mess up things. For me it is really complicated to develop a song as a song, not only as a sequence of scenes. But this is clearly a matter of taste.
Missing audio-tracks are an other thing, I don't know, korg will ever plan to implement. It is nice that they are developing more synths for it, but the base-program has not been developed significantly.
Agree on all counts
I suppose a simpler way of putting what I was trying to get at is that, for what it's worth, a number of folks who have different interests, seem to have found that currently we seem to be getting a lot done in that environment, even though we wish it were more developed.
I guess the point is (which in itself is good to know I suppose) that there is no single magic gun. Perhaps there never is or will be. There are lots of nice magic bullets these days however....
MTS works best as a complemental app to Auria IMO. Midi is fidly but it's still better than any other app out there for midi editing. You can use the score or piano roll to write directly into it — this works well with virtual midi. Or you can play from another app and record midi — I use Geosynth for this — it's the best performing app on iOS for me.
The track setup is more like an old MTR than a DAW and lacks the visual element for arranging that Auria has, which is why I don't use it as an all in one.
@JonnyGoodyear
I'm surprised that the whole app-switching thing turned out as that of a nightmare to me. I thought, I get used to it with time - but currently, it's worse for me. I hope, auria pro will be, at least partially that magic bullet.:)
Good insight. Thanks.
I was wondering about that because it's hard to tell from the screenshots. I don't see the visual element. What is a MTR?
@pichi Thanks for that explanation. I thought in MTS visual arranging is possible like in cubasis and auria. Thats somewhat of a let down, of course.
@mkel424 I think with "MTR" an old-school multitrack-recorder is meant where arrangement isn't done visually, but with copy/paste and locators.
That sounds like it would be very difficult to edit.
Sadly there is not much to see within the appstore-pictures. Also regarding midi-editing with MTS they are not informative at all. The informations on the websites are more geared to the desktop-version. But it has clearly some very attractive features, like time stretching for audio and a score-view in the midi-editor. With the pro-extension there is even a pitch-corrector for vocals included.
Best way to get a sense of things is to check the YouTube material linked above. Tracks and midi and audio wavs are visualized and editable in very detailed ways in the app, and can be moved to be next to one another or in any order for editing, and can also be viewed in a song mode with all tracks visible together.
Still not found a video where audio snippets are processed, but some insights about the midi-editor, matrix-editor, eq-ing and such. Looks nice!
Thanks Littlewoodg for the link to the videos. They are extremely helpful.
The only basic thing MTS doesn't do is let you move a bunch of rectangles around forever. This encourages playing/improvising over arranging/calculating. With MTS I find ways to improvise or play live the types of changes and parts that clip-based DAWs like Ableton or Gadget would lead me to silo into individual clips -- which leads to new directions and ideas... The fine editing and neurotic transformations can happen afterward...
MultitrackStudio performance and stability is exceptional on my iPad 3 (which many consider a lemon product, replaced with the iPad 4 later the same year). Have not had it crash yet.
Right now I see MTS as the place I go after coming up with all the synth parts and playing with (and finalizing) the song structure in a clip-oriented tool (like Auxy and/or Yamaha Mobile Music Sequencer).
The way I see my workflow evolving, by the time I'm in MTS, the song is already laid out. All there is left to do is (in no particular order):
Embellish existing MIDI tracks with controller effects (cutoff/resonance sweeps, etc.) using sound-on-sound (SOS) recording.
Record the MIDI instruments as audio tracks
Record non-MIDI instruments (guitars, etc.)
Record the vocals
And then finally:
Mix
Master
You should take this with a grain of salt, though, because I haven't finished a song yet and been through all these steps. :-) For example, in MTS, I haven't figured out how to hear an existing MIDI track while recording controller effects using SOS. I hope it's possible; otherwise, I don't see the point of the SOS feature.
As a side note, I don't see Korg Gadget being my go-to tool because I am still partial to my outboard synth and drum machine.
Alright you guys convinced me to pull the trigger.
I have to admit this is what I didn't get at first with the working method in MTS: editing for the clips u load into the Matrix sampler, or whetever you ship them, is done in the audio editor track window This includes time stretch and transposition, fades, reverse etc etc. u can paste clips into the window from outside the app then edit and copy clips to other apps. Or copy paste into Matrix pads.
Or turn into midi track by pasting into the midi track window...
So far so good. I like it because there's no BS. Everything is easy to find. It's great each SoundFont can have their own audio track (unlike the bsi that mixes multiple fonts down to a single stereo track). The only thing I can't find is the pattern editor.
You can view the audio, but just one track at a time. Editing is not really a problem and the pro version has more features than Auria actually - not just time stretching but pitch adjustment also. Not to mention tempo editing that can affect audio as well as midi.
What is inconvenient is that you're unable to see a visual layout of your whole song.