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I need a deep synthesis environment like Bidule.
Wanted: I'm looking for a synthesis environment that can go deep without being too confusing on the iPad. See, half of my ideas still consist of fun, cheeky melodies and lyrics, but lately a new form of self-expression has been welling up inside of me ever since I got Nave (wavetable synthesis that's easy to perform atonal riffs off of). I'm getting deep into Stockhausen and John Cage and paving my own way into making "chance music" and sick audio manipulation that Skrillex wishes he was deep into making. That four-track recorder with "tape editing" abilities is SWEET!
Now, puredata confuses the hell out of me, so I'm not looking to learn a programming language. I'm looking for the "plogue bidule" of the iPad basically. Here's an idea I have. I want to have random short noise bursts, and the way I'd like to achieve this is have a sample and hold modulate a noise generator as a sort of lfo triggering the noise burst amp envelope. This lfo signal would have its output signal limited so only those signals within a certain threshold trigger the bursts.
I'd also split the outgoing signal into two and feed both into their respective band pass filters, one cutoff modulated by a slower standard sine lfo, and the other by a faster lfo. These are to be fed into a reverb unit (whether a part of the app itself or that can be fed into one of the AB reverb units). Did I forget panpot automation for the split signals in that chain somewhere and for loud/soft dynamics? This would create the underpinning of a new 30-40 minute soundscape I can improvise other good stuff on top of and automatically created via automation. Also, "held notes" would be a plus.
If this app is NOT ab compatible, it should at least have a built-in recorder and audiocopy. Then it's Audioshare->Reverb->Cubasis (which will be my main audio arranger).
Maybe I have this complex limited-only-by-processor-and-ram synthesis environment already on my iPad, don't even know it, and need someone to point out the obvious. Or maybe there's a hiddem gem in the appstore I completely overlooked. Needless to say, is there anyone who can help me out here? Let's get random!
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Have you tried Jasuto?
„Jasuto“ von Chris Wolfe
https://appsto.re/de/AbMUu.i
Also:
ZMors Modular
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/zmors-modular/id926789929?mt=8 or Audulus
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/audulus-modular-synthesizer/id570012270?mt=8
AUDULUS! That's one I may have overlooked, but now it's on the "hitlist". Anybody who's anybody that was exposed to Plogue's Bidule to use for experimental music knows how awesome it is.
Problem with Bidule is lack of multitouch manipulation. A mouse and control surface don't cut it for me! The iPad was born for the electro-acoustic musician, bar none! Man, MOTU's Digital Performer was so cumbersome compared to improvising sounds.
Jasuto, I forgot what a gem it truly is! I'm still learning ZMors modular, but god is it great!
I just remembered Caustic's modular synth and also CrystalXT.
Would iMS-20 also satisfy my lust for total freedom in sound design?
It's a lovely synth but I don't think it'd go as far as you want it to. A better option would be the iVCS3 - a really good synth for not knowing what the hell is going on. For soundscapes it might be worth moving out of traditional synth territory and exploring apps such as TC-11, Borderlands, Soundscaper, iDensity etc. Feed that through a bad boy such as Dedalus or Turnado and you've set the controls for the heart of the sun.
Jasuto!
Plogue needs to get on iOS. I bought Chipspeech recently but I don't want to deal with my PC anymore.
Audulus is awesome!
+1 for Audulus.
I had a play with Jasuto recently. Seems amazingly versatile.
I never realised as well as making its own sound that it could send midi out. It has a built in sequencer and built in scales etc. It's like a kind of modular TC-Data with more traditional inputs (keys).
One day I'll spend more time with it. It's pretty crazily deep app though. And seems well 'ahead of its time'.
You are right! +1 , Hidden treasure!
I vote for this is because I have them all. This is life saver. Deep without hassle. If some synth heads for research purpose, I think they will not agree with. They will pick picky!
Okay, new question. After viewing Audulus on the app store, I realised why I overlooked it: the IAPs. Rather, the lack of knowledge of just how much comes in the base app and how many IAPs it has, how much it will cost in total, etc. So, how much would the IAPs cost me in addition to the base price? Are the IAPs essential to what I'm looking to accomplish?
Jasuto is awesome!
I forgot I had that hidden gem there.
I'm writing Plogur right now. Bidule NEEDS to be ported to the iPad post haste.
Hi, The last update of "zMors Modular" add many functions. It suprises many existing users. It has IAA insert slot now. It becomes feature rich now. For the price tag, I think is a great start. I have also notice that the CPU usage has dropped down and 64 bit engine could be the reason. It will not cause you much energy to worry. This synth is very new, even newer than Audulus. So I think developer has the guts and heart to make it top! You should consider it.
Long time Bidule user here. I don't think it's quite as bad as your last sentence up there (re: not enough CPU power on an iPad) but it's certainly much more limited than a typical computer (lap, desk, whatever-top) and I suspect that Seb would never be able to port all of Bidule to iOS. I've seen him reject the idea in the past, so it'll be interesting to see if he responds to the question now. Beyond processing power, there's the question of how to integrate "apps" into the Bidule layout paradigm. If that were possible, I believe we'd all be talking on the Bidule iOS site, and not the Audiobus site
My point is, I don't think the Bidule paradigm for handling audio processing apps (VSTs or AUs in the PC world) works in iOS.
I'll say this, though. An iPad with your favorite MIDI or OSC control interface, mapped to your Bidule layout, will make you fall in love with Bidule all over again. If the iPad control interface supports multi-touch, Bidule will certainly respond to it. Lots of fun in there.
+1
I would love to learn a programming language, if only anything suitable existed in iOS.
Well, there's Codea and there's Pythonista, but unfortunately none of them supports Midi. I'd love to have a scripting development environment (like those mentioned above), that would be able to communicate with other apps via Virtual Midi interface. Would be a killer tool for algorithmic composition on iPad
Maybe zMors Modular developer can add this feature. Or may be we'll see Sonic Pi ported to iOS one day
@yug have you considered JavaScript and the recently released MIDIBrowser?
Re: bidule. I don't know anything about it (used it 10+ years ago) but there's a reasonable chance that it can not be 'ported' if it's written in some languages (see FLStudio and Delphi).
Changing w/ ios9.
Thanks for mentioning it, never heard of it. Looks like a nice app but still requires you to use your desktop computer to develop and host those midi web apps.
Moreover, Javascript is not the simplest language to use, I'd prefer something less complicated and more user-friendly
My current experiments involve writing scripts, that send OSC messages to Osculator or PureData, which then converts OSC to MIDI and sends midi to one of the desktop DAWs, Mainstage, or even iOS synths.
If only I could do all this w/o using my desktop mac...
definitely jasuto for me! not to hard to learn and it works with samples also. You can do some granular synthesis, midi in-out, allows feedback, resampling, on-board audio editor. gets pretty deep if you want. I like zmors modular a lot too. the pd module adds another level to it also but a steeper learning curve.
Hi, Let me show you all a picture! See the attached file, two IAA effect slots on the chain! One is Turnado, the other is UltraPhaser! You can make extremly complex possibilities with simple setting. If you want, you may use midi cc to control effects. So how cool it is the new zMors Modular! This simple playing demo only use 10% Air1 CPU power.
Worth $10, doesn't it?