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App for decontructing a drum loop
Hi
Anyone know of the best app out there for:
bringing in a fast drum loop
slowing it way, way down
listening/seeing which hits occur when on a 16th grid (or similar)
?
This would be very useful for me. Any help appreciated.
Comments
Glitchbreaks..
My go to app for speed up/down (of audio) is AnyTune Pro+. No grid as far as I know, but it is a great tool to have!
Like this? No grid though, but u can see waveform and slow down to zero bpm if u want. BM2 has a good wave editor too
Egoist too..
If I'm not all mistaken the original request was for an app that can differentiate different drum-sounds used in a loop? Meaning separate grids for Kick, Snare, Hi-Hats (Open / Closed) etc. and not just 'simple' transient-detection?
Sector could work also
I'm not sure what Matt means exactly, but, as he produces drum and bass, he might be looking at scrutinising breakbeats for chopping them up, if so, the waveform editor in BM2 might be good for that..
Hi there, try zMors Modular. There is a demo in the presets list that can control drum sequencer speed by using xy pad. You can see and interact with. I don't see other apps can do this except Elastic Drum.
Melodyne on iPad would be totally amazing for many things...
Have a look at beat twirl
Beat Twirl by Guy Shaviv
https://appsto.re/gb/Buyoz.i
Traktor DJ?
Yes. Beat twirl. Although I deleted it from my pad because it didn't work as well as I imagined..
You can set up Turnado to do amazing stuff with a loop (or any piece of audio)...that you feed in..
Sector and Glitchbreaks have their own loops...
Beat twirl can be kind of fiddly I agree but it can work really well.
Egoist or Sector would be my recommendation.
@Matt_Fletcher_2000
Ya! Turnado can slow and speed up the looper.
After further check zMors Modular, I have not found a module to slow or increase the BPM clock for beats. The Beat 2 preset demo can adjust the sequencer steps from 16 to 8, 4,2,1 beat step. However, You can open the BPM module window to adjust BPM real time with the beats step xy pad mover simultaneously. Hope this help! Btw, You can use your own Gadget drum sample if you find it good to substitue drum sound for the sequencer in zMors. You can bring many sampler module to the table.
Thanks very much everyone - for al your suggestions... amazing how you get such a great response to questions on this forum.
Yes, that's pretty much it... Thanks. I should have been clearer. Only not so much for chopping them up. I thought i'd take some loops of different breaks and drum patterns that I like (pretty complex one) and work out what the pattern is, roughly e.g.
or whatever...
So I can roughly recreate the core the rhythm with my own drum samples...
I actually just found that loading it into Audioshare with the "snap to grid" on worked pretty well... it divides a bar into quarters and so you can pretty much see from there where the hits land and you can also isolate different hits easily to hear what they are.
Kind of rough... but enough to learn a bit about what different breaks and fills etc. are made up of.
Just be careful, because if the breaks are sampled from a real drummer (like the Amen break), they might not fit that neatly into a grid. Playing behind the beat (and sometimes, but less often, ahead of it) is often what gives the break that funky feel.
@Matt_Fletcher_2000
Oh, Ya! Egoist can adjust 16 grid section dynamically. Shortening or lengthening that particular loop, plus Egoist can sequence parts to a song! This feature might suit your nned to listen to particular rhythm you design for. Plus it can sample the Gadget drum loop you bring it into Egoist to slice! Very nice! Then drum loop sliced can be randomized, so you don't need to use internal drum sound! Very easy to copy from Audioshare also!
Yep, thanks - Egoist and Sector are both great for that kind of drum / loop mangling / slicing, I know.
I need to get into Glitch Breaks a bit more. I could never really get my head round that one to be honest.
I've spent more time with Sector than what can be considered healthy, it's way to easy to get lost in time mangling and re-sequencing loops...
I also have spent more time with zMors. The BPM speed can actually being slow down with Sample Rate module, So the drum sequencer grid can be fill with drum, clap, hats to change pattern with speed and different steps! zMors Modular can act like DJ loop, It has IAA slot for chaining apps such as Turnado! What a great app that other synths have not got this modular power.
Thanks @BiancaNeve. I might have to give beat twirl another .. twirl
@Matt_Fletcher_2000 I was going to suggest a method similar to what @synthandson suggested. Loop the break in BM2 as an audio track (or your audio+midi app of choice). Then, on a drum sampler track below, start inserting replacement instruments at the correct times. You can't see the audio track and the Piano Roll at the same time in BM2 but you can hop back and forth. Mute/unmute the audio track to hear how you're doing. Slowing the tempo down on the loop first will definitely help.
You can also chop the original in the chop lap to 16 or 32 pads so that you can dip in at any 'slice' to see/hear what's there relative to the grid (set the audio editor to BPM mode).
An entirely different method might be to use absurd amounts of filtering/EQ/gating to single out the pulses of each instrument—it doesn't need to sound like the original, just need each drum's hits singled out. Then, via multiple passes for each instrument, send it into ThumbJam's pitch-to-midi converter and grab the output. You'll have a hard time with snare ghost notes and the like but it should work for capturing the main rhythm with a little clean up.
Thanks @syrupcore ...
I deleted BM2 a while back (too big) ...
But I just had a thought that I could do roughly the same in Abu Dhabi in Gadget. Import 1 bar. Chop to 16ths. Replace each 16th, as you suggest, one by one (in London or Bilbao) with what i think the drums are (obviously some are layered). I can then shuffle off the grid if neccessary to get the same groove etc..
I don't need to / want to replicate perfectly or anything. I just thought it would be a fun way to learn how a few really "alive" drum patterns are doing their thing... So I can learn more basic variations and then start experimenting.
It's all about the drums in the kind of music i'm making at the moment
I'll have a go with the above method and report back
Think 16ths are going to be too low resolution for the sort of drum stuff you seem to be interested in.
Oh, another method: Chop something to 16ths or 32nds in an app that will allow you to address each slice via MIDI (does sector do that yet?). Then, point a single piano roll at both the chops and a drum sampler, hopefully in separate note ranges. Trigger them both at the same time, one step at a time and futz around with the drum sampler's notes until it's doing what you want. Proceed to the next step.
Damn, was gonna. Mention Abu dhabi..not messed with it much, but other day I had a tinker..I'm certain it can do a hell of a lot!
Matt - MultitrackStudio, with the Pro extension, is capable of timestretch with audio tracks. It also has a very nice functionality in that, if you copy an audio track into a midi track, MTS will do its best to convert audio into midi. Not sure if it will accomplish what you need and certainly not a cheap solution; if you want me to test something just PM me.
Auria - Scrubbing.. Plus time stretch..
Many apps to achieve what you need!
much easier to take a sample slicer, chop up the break, and replace the slices with the samples you want on each pad and then export it..... it's super quick.