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Are we ever going to get midi app switching?
I've been waiting patiently for this to make it to the list of things you care about. People have been asking this for years and Michael has comments on the web saying this will be implemented soon, years ago. I perform live with a pedal board and have to bend over constantly to switch to another app every time I need it. You are the only force capable of implementing this due to your popularity.
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The AB folks don't seem to like MIDI very much. Dunno why. But the OMAC MIDI switching has been in existence for many years now, and any App that uses the Audeonic MidiBus library to implement their MIDI gets App switching along with it. Automatically. There's a list on the site. There are also some older Apps, like Little Midi Machine, who implemented it themselves.
http://www.audeonic.com/midibus/
That tiny subset of apps is pretty useless to me. I'm an avid user of Loopy and Tonestack. I bought Audiobus on the promise of this feature being implemented at some point, I won't be buying any more Audiobus written apps after this.
As you wish.
Honestly, if that feature is critical to your music making, that "tiny subset of apps" is a pretty capable set of apps that pretty much covers the spectrum of app types on iOS, save maybe a player of traditional instrument samples like TJ or sampletank. If that list is not enough to do what you do, I'd like to hear what it is that you do.
If you don't want to buy apps that include the audiobus library anymore because of an edge case feature (based on user demand on this forum anyway) hasn't been implemented, best of luck to you.
s like TJ or sampletank. If that list is not enough to do what you do, I'd like to hear what it is that you do.
He messaged me his instrument list:
a. AIR GUITAR
b. SKIN FLUTE
c. TAMBORINE
He combines all of this with a KAROAKE machine.
Don't hate.
Midimux might help you.> @RustiK
I'd also love to have midi app switching in Audiobus.
This has been asked for for at least three years and the makers of Audiobus posted in 2012 saying this was going to be included in Audiobus. https://groups.google.com/d/msg/open-music-app-collaboration/EWx4Z5EJZA8/YFU6Z3p7D64J
I merely play guitar and like at least a semi convincing pedal emulation. None of those apps listed sound good to me. Trust me, I tried replacing my rig with those apps, it sounds terrible.
As for my setup:
First, sorry for presuming you could make it work with the list of apps linked (and being sassy about it). Your reply to a trying-to-be-helpful post from the good Mr @dwarman got my undies bunched (it's a thing that happens with me; ask around):
Second, my comment was directed at frequency of request, not age. Apparently, I was wrong about that too as evidenced by your old collection here: http://forum.audiob.us/discussion/6882/good-ole-app-switching-again. Still not a heavy hitter but it's something lots of people seem to want (including Sebastian).
Obviously, this feature either hasn't made it to the top of their priority list or they've decided not to implement it. Getting it to work across all AB apps sounds like a nightmare, honestly, so I wouldn't blame them if they scrapped the idea (even though I'd absolutely love to use the feature myself).
Shit changes. If devs feel like they can't talk about ideas in public because someone is going to hold them to everything they say out loud, we're going to lose one of the greatest benefits of this forum.
A big part of the problem is Apple: they do not allow other Apps to control their run state or display state, other than IIRC a pseudo "URL" method. OMAC has to send both the front and the successor a message asking nicely for them to change state. So every dev has to implement something, and its not pretty. Except MidiBus hides it all for them.
So this feature you guys are speaking about, is to be able to change the displayed app by sending a midi cc?
Out of pure curiosity @joshuajonah , why would you want this? It looks to me you are using the ipad just as an effects/amp processor, might be wrong!
lol @ skinflute. yes i'd like midi app switching but fine with the tools i have. thanks to all the great devs out there-!
good luck with that whole 'not buying ab apps' plan
Haha @joshuajonah here ya go:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1496994162/remofinger-wireless-foot-controller-for-ipad-music?ref=card
Nice gizmo @TGiG but it only works on the foreground app.
@joshuajonah What is it about tonestack and Loopy that you can't control via midi? Those are 2 apps with pretty competent midi emulations.
If the issue is the ability to monitor, I can understand somewhat. I play guitar live, and run through 2 iPads running 5 or 6 apps simultaneously. Particularly with guitar, I have no way to monitor status of pedals and patches. I have a couple of McMillen controllers at the front of the stage I could use for this purpose, if the apps supported midi out status.
If monitoring is the goal, I think you'd be better served asking for midi out status reporting from each app dev. Probably a much easier request for them. I can see where app switching would be a mess.
Pop 'em on the AudioBus side chain
If you can't change apps unless you are the foreground app, why can I change apps with the sidebar from audiobus? Why could there not just be midi assignments for these buttons that are always on top anyway?
To hazard a guess, because the sidebar is displayed under the ownership of the foreground App.
Because then you're overlaying the midi needs of one app over the midi needs of the foreground app. I'm assuming Audiobus is trying to provide additional routing functions with its SDK, not create limitations with the foreground app's midi functionality.
I can see where they'd want to stay away from it.
Novation Launchkey App and Launchpad App you can switch and control each other with the MIDI keyboard.
Essentially ""INTRA APP AUDIO""
I know it would be great. At least if companies did it between their own apps. Like NAVE and ATTACK. Novation is only one I know.
I am not sure if this is what you mean. I couldn't read the whole thread.
You can use midi simultaneously already. I can control both of these apps at the same time, I can just only see one unless i lean down and press the foreground button on the audiobus sidebar.
Absolutely. This is a great point. I noticed here that there are several people who bought an app off of features mentioned in a post.only to complain that it has not or could not be implemented due to the iOS environment of constant change. Now, I've done this knowing full well that my gamble is just that, but the features I am interested in are very common and do eventually get added.
To be clear, as mentioned by @dwarman in the second post, MIDI app switching has already been solved (since like 2012) via OMAC MIDI switching. It still exists and it still works. There's nothing preventing a developer from implementing it. If you have three or four apps that you'd regularly like to use MIDI to switch between, you might have better luck approaching them directly.
The AB connection panel is so very great but Funkbox's OMAC switching is still boss. It's just that with the advent of the AB panel, developer interest in implementing OMAC stuff understandably waned.
Is it even possible to record Tonestack into Loopy without Audiobus?
It may have been said, but I want bluhooth switching. I have this gangster cheap lil thing that via double decker is also midi. It somehow works with like every app. Anyway if I could just assign the number buttons to apps 1-9. that would rule.
These answers are kind of useless. Audiobus is the only one with the market share to implement this across apps. They already have their API used in many apps, they could implement this and tons of developers would include it as part of the audiobus API they are already including. It really just seems like they are avoiding this out of some sort of animosity towards the developer of OMAC.
Edit: Or this is part of the new Super Secret stuff going on.
It's super secret so no one knows.
We'll find out tomorrow.