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LoopTree and Audiobus remote
Hi guys
As promised, I've been thinking about how LoopTree can be better used in the background and then, as if by magic, Audiobus remote appears and it looks like it could offer an awesome solution.
Here's what I've been playing with so far:
I'd love to know what you think as it's early days yet.
Thanks
Edward
Comments
Nice adds Edward, but I still didn't see where Looptree would function if it were backgrounded. If I'm running it through AB, I might want effects and may want to bring them up in the foreground to adjust them. Would LoopTree continue to operate in that example?
I was just leaving LoopTree in the foreground for this demo, so that you could see side-by-side the effects of what I was doing in the remote.
What I wanted to highlight is that when LoopTree is in the background and you have other music apps in the foreground, you'll be able to have a high level of control over LoopTree---recording, toggling and clearing tracks and even switching between LoopTree layers---all from the remote control.
I hope that makes it clearer
Thanks...that's exactly what I was hoping the intent was. Looking forward to the update. Can you provide an estimate on the timeline?
@CodingCod Look forward to that, thanks Edward.
Another feature I'm hoping you could develop would be a way of sequencing loops, so you could set how many times a loop will play and which loop will carry on afterwards in a chain. You could do this with multiple sets of loops within their own tree.
This could be great and within the tree, layered way of working. If you could also control some of this from the remote that would be even better.
Is it possible to copy/paste several loops in a project ? (and not only the first one )
@CodingCod: thanks for that, looks enticing!, and I also think it does make sense to have some kind of indicator for record-start (like you said). Nice to see you put so much thought into it... .
@funjunkie27 I'd imagine it might make it sometime in August. It depends how our testing goes - in particular we want to make sure that the workflow feels really good.
@Carnbot Evolving the session over time is something we're thinking about.
@pierre At moment you can only use AudioPaste to start a session and you can only use AudioCopy to copy the rendered session. Expanding our AudioPaste support is a really popular request so I'm sure we'll do that in the future.
@animal Thanks!
Thanks Edward. Looking forward to it.
Okay, I didn't even figure out how AudioPasting a loop from AudioShare even worked until I saw this thread. You have to start a new session with the pasted loop as the "foundation" for everything. So there is no BPM control within the app - it's just based off the click track or the length of the first loop.
There really needs to be a paste option within the tracks screen so that you could paste multiple files into one project. Also, "open in" functionality would be nice from AudioShare or anywhere else you can long press on an audio file.
I bought the app primarily because of the U.I. I think there's a lot of potential here, but I was a bit surprised at how much the app doesn't do. Transport controls via AudioBus or IAA are a must. The new Remote functionality would be nice but that requires two compatible devices and two paid apps to be running. Better AudioBus implementation would benefit more users first. Thanks for the work thus far and for being so receptive to feedback - those are both encouraging and appreciated!
@StormJH1 Thanks for the feedback. In case you haven't seen our tutorials, here's a link to our YouTube channel:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCi4yKFFyWe6DhfCU0HgPQFg
I hope you'll like some of the things we have in the pipeline
I'm really excited to announce that V1.1.1 hit the app store this morning!
Since the previous video, we've extended the remote support to even allow navigating between layers.
We've also added the record and clear triggers through the regular Audiobus connection panel.
We'll be making a video that shows the new features soon, but in the meantime, here's an instrumental demo that shows LoopTree running with SampleTank via Audiobus and using MIDI control, too. If you watch really closely it does use the connection panel record trigger at one point, too!
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Nice!!!!
Getting better and better. Thanks!
Can I MIDI control the app via Bluetooth Midi using an IrIg Blue board ?
@Johnba In LoopTree, MIDI control allows you to control the REC, toggle and clear buttons in the interface. LoopTree responds to note on/off on channel 1.
From what I can see, the iRig BlueBoard can only send out program change or continuous controller messages. That makes it possible but it would require using MidiBridge's Stream Byter to convert the CC or PC to Note on/off messages.
The following rule converts CC64 (0x40) on channel 1 to Note 0x26. I have split it so that if CC64 is < 50% it will send out note on at 0 and if it's more than 50% it'll send out note on at 127:
B0 40 00-40 = 90 26 00
B0 40 40-7F = 90 26 7F
Alternatively and perhaps preferably for the BlueBoard try the following rules that convert program change 0, 1 and 2 into note on 0x24, 25 and 26.
C0 00 = 90 24 7F
C0 01 = 90 25 7F
C0 02 = 90 26 7F
More details about using MidiBridge's Stream Byter can be found here:
http://audeonic.boards.net/thread/37/cc-message-on and http://www.audeonic.com/mb_sbyter.shtml
LoopTree responds to the following:
90 24 7F = REC touch
90 24 00 = REC touch up
90 25 7F = Toggle touch
90 25 00 = Toggle touch up
90 26 7F = Clear touch
90 26 00 = Clear touch up
As a final thought, it seems like the BlueBoard doesn't allow momentary actions so your best bet is to use program change instead: http://cgi.ikmultimedia.com/ikforum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=7966&sid=a230e6e7951a8629f3963669532b7a12&start=15
Overall, I think I'd do the following:
1) Set up the BlueBoard to send out program change 0, 1 and 2 on channel 1.
2) Set up the MidiBridge Stream Byter to convert those to REC touch, toggle touch and clear touch using the rules:
C0 00 = 90 24 7F
C0 01 = 90 25 7F
C0 02 = 90 26 7F
3) In LoopTree ensure that 'perform action on touch up' is switched OFF because you'll only be sending the touch events, not the touch up events.
For our first version of MIDI control within LoopTree we decided to just make a simple note on/off control with no MIDI learn. We thought that anyone with an easily programmable MIDI controller would be able to use that and anyone with fixed requirements, like the BlueBoard, would be able to use MidiBridge (and a bit of determination!) to get there.
For the future, we'll take note of what controllers people want to use and how they want to use them so that we can make it easier to support the controllers straight from LoopTree without having to use MidiBridge.
I hope you find this helpful
Thks for taking the time to write all these informations.
@CodingCod some feature requests below, thanks!
I've spent some time with Looptree recently. It's a really great start for an app, I hope it gets further improvements. I love Loopy but the main thing which always interrupted my worflow was the lack of slots, only 12.
The nondestructive layering here really helps with play and experimentation and the mixing of each slot is fluid and intuitive.
Essential: Audiocopy/paste and audioshare support for each slot you select (so you can copy all underlying layers too) not just the first sample of the project. This is crucial for working with other apps, feels a bit too self-contained at the moment. All samples are available through itunes though which is good but needs quicker access when just on the ipad. (and there should be a copy/paste icon on the UI not in a menu)
(Also perhaps there should be a file browser in the app where you can import lots of samples at once before bringing them into the project). I always feel that ability to work with other apps is crucial to the longevity of an apps life and should be first priority.
Bpm and metronome and clock/bar counter available on the page, there's no way of seeing what the bpm is of a project after it's been created, this is strange especially if you return to a project.
filter effect over selected slot, unless I'm missing something you can only apply the filter to the beat repeat or the whole output of the currently playing slots
soloing of a slot / tree, when a project gets big it becomes difficult to see what is what, soloing a sample would be useful. also naming of a sample in the top corner of a slot would also be useful.
live sample editing/trimming etc
audiobus remote master stop start control
midi clock sync, so that recording from other apps is easier
sequencing of samples within each tree, number of times a slot plays with follow actions to chain slots, this would be a killer feature and make it a very powerful creative tool.
more effects/quantized slicing etc and automation, take a look at Samplr.
In fact when in flow with the app it feels a bit like the state of flow achieved in Samplr, which is basically a huge compliment. If it's developed in that direction with a sequencing workflow it could be a whole lot more than a live looping tool.
@Carnbot Good effort.
➕ 1000000000 !!!
@Carnbot thanks for taking the time to put all that down. We're really excited because many of those features are things we've already started looking at and that helps validate the direction we're going in. You've also given us some new things to think about, too.
I like Samplr a lot and I wanted to make LoopTree a fusion of hands-on waveform manipulation and live recording/looping. For the future we've been designing an edit mode that will hopefully allow really streamlined tweaking of live recorded material as well as opening the door to Audiocopy/paste and non-live material.
We'll definitely be exploring follow actions and how our tree structure might offer it's own possibilities.
Rest assured LoopTree will be getting some awesome improvements
Love the willingness and interaction there @CodingCod. Looking forward to see the direction you take it.
Super awesome!!!! So glad I bought this app! Can't wait.
That's good to hear, great work so far
Btw just a small thing but I find in the audiobus remote the looptree logo icon disappears, not sure why.
@Carnbot The logo icon problem is happening for us, too. Oddly it wasn't happening in development and started with the app store version. There seem to be other apps that have experienced this, too. We've posted in the AB developer forum and are awaiting an answer. Thank goodness it doesn't actually impact usage of the remote
We've just posted a couple of videos showing how to program the Behringer FCB1010 to control LoopTree and how to use Midiflow or MidiBridge to remap MIDI program change events to note on events:
If you do use MIDI control, you might want to play with the quantise settings in LoopTree to see whether you prefer quantise free mode. I find quantise free works really well for me with foot pedal control.