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You can use MIDI Flow to do this too but TJ makes it a lot easier to select scales.
You can also use MIDI Flow to split the incoming MIDI notes to different channels. Set it up once as a split and save it as a preset in MIDI Flow. That part, vs scales anyway, is easy peezy.
Btw check out thenativekontrol stuff, Stray is a master with this stuff takes things like Push and improves them exponentially.
I recently got MXTLive and it gives you a hell of a lot of control over Live from the maschine controller, only works with the mk2 though . I know he's done LPs and i'm assuming he'll do it for the Pro especially if it's open source.
http://www.nativekontrol.com/Products.html
I have a Quneo it's great!!!! I also have the original Beatstep
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The Korg padKontrol is a good, versatile pad controller. You can do a lot of editing right on the controller, including MIDI channel per pad, note #, preset template changes, etc. It has just two knobs (presets saved to pads can change what they do), but also has an XY pad, which does drum rolls by default. NativeKontrol has templates for it.
You'd have to get the power adaptor if you use it on iPad, tho.
http://www.korg.com/us/products/controllers/padkontrol/
Good to see QuNeo can now bus-power when connected to iPad. That might make it the best iPad-powered option out there.
That's a pity - I'm considering getting one of these keyboard controllers but I'd like be able to have it controlling a drum machine app on the pads and a synth appon the keys and dials
Does anyone know something that can do this?
I like the look of this one too - same price as the Akai: http://www.arturia.com/products/hybrid-synths/minilab/overview
And this may be a stupid question, but how do you use one of these controllers in conjunction with an audio interface which is also using the Lightning Port?
I use a Roland Duo capture mk 2 connected to the iPad with the USB to lightning camera connection kit. Is the some way of connecting 2 USBs at the same time?
@Simon_Acetone; you can do that with a powered USB hub. Roland + midi-controler(s) to usb hub and usb hub to lightning cck.
Thanks for the info, but is that the only way to do it?
Both the audio interface and the keyboard can operate on USB power only, so I'd rather not add a powered hub if I don't have to!
@simon_acetone - you have to add a hub anyway to get multiple evices connetd. The iThing however has very limited power available to power them. So powering the hub from its brick or a battery is hghly likely to be necessary. If you over-draw iOS will complain and shut the CCK down.
Can you get battery powered USB hubs?
Not specifically (altough I did find one, no longer available). I use a 12Ah USB recharger battery to power a standard Belkin USB 2.0 hub. Modern hubs tend to have 5v chargers and 2.5 mm barrel power sockets. You can get USB to 2.mm charger cable for a few $ on Amazon, if you did not already get one with some other piece of gear.
This size battery can power several devices for longer than you have stamina to play them. There are many types available for around $40.
MidiFlow makes this easy. You make a split in the app and point each part of the split at whichever apps you like. Great app for plenty of other MIDI uses as well.
thanks for the tip syrupcore.
Ace - thanks for the info... any further details of how to do this would be MEGA helpful, as I've taken the plunge and gone for the Arturia Minilab... and it's out for delivery right now (woo-hoo)
And I realised there was a simple solution to my "how to I use a keyboard controller and an audio interface" problem... the solution is "don't use the audio interface when using the keyboard and use the ipad headphone socket instead"
Nice bit of lateral thinking there...!!
You might want to come up with an alternative solution sometimes. I found it completely changes the sound to monitor through an interface. Limitations from the headphone out of the iPad. Even those behringer uca ones. When I just doodle on the phone and or make more structural work it's ok. But then I actually hear it through the interface when I can. I think I have said this hundreds of times in here but you'll see the gurus agree with me. Professor?
I know - that's why I use the audio interface, as I know the sound is coloured through the headphone out. But when I'm playing in some riffs/drums/filters I figure I don't need to be hearing the pure audio signal I get from the audio interface?? The headphone sound is not hugely different anyway, but it's just that you just can't use it to get an totally accurate representation of the sound of your mix.
When I need the sound to be pure (once I've recorded my parts in) I guess I can just switch back to the audio interface.
I really want to keep the amount of spaghetti and boxes to an absolute minimum - getting this controller was a big leap for me!
And I'm excitedly waiting the arrival of the iPad Pro - which apparently is going to have a USB socket as well as the lightning... so, would that be problem solved???
Would be nice if more controllers and audio interfaces included extra USB ports like the EIE or the iconnectmidi line.
@Simon_Acetone It's easier to do in MIDI Flow than it is to explain. Try it out and if you have trouble let us know where.
For what it's worth, the Arturia's come with desktop configuration software that will allow you to send whatever you want from each pad so you could send pads to a certain channel and the keys to another without using MIDI Flow.
I think I've narrowed down my choice for pad controller. Does anyone have the AKAI APC Mini?
what was the iPad in the video for?
there was some controversy over this controller not too long ago because of some left out capability that most people assumed it had, funny thing is I can't remember what it was or if it was rectified, will track it down and post later
@kobamto No iPad in the video. I use my iPad and Audiobus to record clips and then I upload them to Ableton Live.
Thanks for finding it out. I appreciate it.
no probs, ok here it is, still looking to see if they resolved this yet.
"I agree about the port discussion, but for me, the absolutely worst thing about the controller is the lack of Session Overview (also missing in the APC Key 25). So you can't transfer back and forth between banks; you're stuck with moving the matrix incrementally by track/scene. This is absolutely useless, since the only reason for using the indicator would be accessing a wider range, but this is done in banks.
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check this thread out
https://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=209604
between the madness there's some good info in there
I have the APC Key 25 which I would assume is essentially the same thing but with keys instead of faders. It works with iOS but the pads send out midi notes, don't light up on iOS, and can't be reassigned (at least that I can find anywhere).
So in short, it is pretty limited on iOS unless you use MidiBridge to re assign the pre-configured messages. Attached is a photo of what the messages are. Some are sent on midi channel 1 and some are sent on 2 (can't remember which ones off hand).
@kobamoto @Ringleader Thanks for your advice. I just got Live so I'll investigate Session Overview. And it is good to know if it is useable beyond Ableton.
What I'm looking for is a cheap 64 key Ableton Live controller. I looked at the Launchpad Mini but it doesn't have the faders like the Akai. I know you can go into a special mode that replicates faders but it's not the same as being able to control both the pads and faders at the same time.
The Launchpad Mini has session overview. Damn. Real faders on the Akai or session overview wih the Launchpad. It's a tough decision!
I'm going with the Launchpad Mini. After reading Kobamoto's thread the Akai is too limited. Also watching this video helped me make up my mind.
I'm late to the convo but I have the Akai MPD 26 and love it. 6 faders, 6 knobs and 16 pads
glad to help man, hope the lp works out for you. for what it's worth I'd keep checkin back on the akai as it seems like that's something they could change for the better kind of easily so they might just do so in the future.
Thanks for your help @kobamoto. Now that I've got the Launchpad my portable needs are met. If I get another pad controller it will be full sized. Maybe an Akai APC40 mk2 or go for the ultimate Ableton controller Push.