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Resampling your own old songs?
Hi everybody, there have been a lot of discussions going on lately about finishing tracks, starting tracks, workflow, etc. I was curious if anybody resampled old tracks to start a new one. With Borderlands, Samplr, Audiostretch, Abu Dabi, and More traditional Samplers like BM2, iMPC Pro, etc., this seems like a lot of people would be doing this (not to speak of all of the effects apps). I am kind of in love with Borderlands, and I think that this can be the perfect way to spark a song. Thoughts?
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As someone who lacks talent/ is afraid to finish anything, my workflow is a constant cycle of taking bits/parts from something that didn't work and straining, bashing, mashing and mangling it in the hope that I'll find a starting point for something else that won't work.
But I do think several layers of filtration can help you find something more personal and idiosyncratic, which in my book is a good thing.
Haven't (yet) resampled old songs, but I am of the 'whatever makes your mind go click' school of getting started. There is obviously the matter of 'stealing' or copying, but I think this is something we each have to deal at some point as regards inspiration.
Copy the Mona Lisa, it's a copy. A homage maybe, or a pastiche. A satire even. Or Warhol. Depends. Copy the Mona Lisa, fiddle about with it incrementally, pass it off as an original and hope that no-one notices; different matter.
However, if you put the Mona Lisa on your easel, stare at her, smell her even, lick her face, take down the canvas, burn it in a ceremony of your own making, collect up the ashes, add oils and ungents and some of your own skin, baste and squidge it (technical term) into some disgusting paste and then take your knife and scrape thickly on a fresh canvas, drip your children's wet tears on the thing, let it dry for a year and call it Moaner, that's all your own work, wherever you began.
I'd be interested to learn more about your squidging process JGY.
So weird! i just started making loops from old tracks and feeding them to my ipad this morning! Not the first time a thread on this forum earily paralleled what i was doing. 8)
Oh as for process i am triggering them in csspectral and recording them in cubasis then doing overdubs with synths etc. wish i could easily copy them to one place and have them show up for every app... Rant coming on.... It passed heh
Hmmm i thought he was refering to sampling his own old songs... Not other peoples... But now i am not sure... Which are you talking about BvsMV?
AudioShare?
i have it but it doesnt work with a lot of apps, even the ones it says it does like csspectral. i could use audio copy but then i need to downrez it to 16bit. Considering i have about a hundred, ten from each track, i just itunes it and copy into each app. Would take too long to audiocopy that way.
I've done that for sure. Also if a track is boring me I will sample a bit of first section to create 2nd section etc.
Nice idea.
Hmmm, well ... Hmmm, yah I guess audioshare is pretty audiobus friendly as a source, I was actually just trying to use effects within audioshare and that was flakey. But yah audioshare as audibus source works well so i could just use that for most effects and trigger playback manualy... About the only ones that i would need to copy files to then would be effectrix and sector as they are both sync sensitive. thanks anickt!
Yes sir, I have more clearly titled the thread. That's pretty cool that you just started doing this as well!
@RedSkyLullaby said:
That's a really useful trick. I think it kind of keeps the sound cohesive, but not repetitive.
@JohnnyGoodyear
You are a wordsmith.
i don't resample old songs i've made, but i do re-use samples alot.
t.s. eliot once said
“Immature poets imitate; mature poets steal; bad poets deface what they take, and good poets make it into something better, or at least something different.”
a thing that got me really into sampling ppl was the idea that i was taking some infectious ear-worm away from the original artist and making it mine. a sort of retaliatory measure against stuff you're forced to hear at work, on the radio, in stores, or whatever else.
so steal things. steal alot of things.
edit: i suppose i should be more clear: when i say "steal things" i don't mean to not give credit to the original work. i just mean don't be intimidated by some nebulous standard of artistic integrity or whatever.
Hey, as long as you're not intimidated by some nebulous standard of artistic integrity or whatever then I think it's all good Mister
Can't stand that nebulocity. However, do keep an eye out for the kick-ass standards....
I don't normally revisit old recorded stuff, I like to start fresh, new ideas each time. I do sometimes though sample from old band rehearsal tapes, as these can add a bit of depth and interest to an otherwise sterile sounding synth track. I've also recently joined a psych rock band, and as well as playing bass will be tasked with recording duties, so I'll probably be doing some sampling and audio bending via the iPad - the two keyboard players have banks of analogue synths so should be interesting.
Nice idea though, I might grab a few chunks of old Reason, Live and Maschine stuff I've done in the past and mix them up in Auria. I still prefer starting a brand new track though and mucking about with my latest app purchases.
I think using MIDI is a good idea because it offers the ultimate flexibility. After a year has past and you wat to use parts of an old track I'd rather have MIDI than audio.
I don't know what genre of music you are writing but for me it has helped to pick a simple genre. Before I was trying to write complex songs and could never get anywhere. Also hooking my iPad up to Ableton Live and using a pad controller for launching clips has helped.
This is what I purchased for $99. It also comes with lite version of Ableton Live, Bass Station plugin, and some free loops.
http://us.novationmusic.com/launch/launchpad-mini#
I re-sample myself a lot. For example using Impaktor > AudioBus > Cubasis I record a bunch of sounds.. Then "save to media" the recording and open in Twisted Wave where I edit out 16 nice drum hits.. Then open in NanoStudio each drum hit ( all 16 pads on trigger 1) and make a beat.. Then record the beat back into Cubasis.. Then Re-sample a second time by using Cubasis on input slot, Turnado on fx slot to Cubasis on out slot. Record the jammin and edit out the loops (Twisted wave) then load loops into desired app etc.
“I often quote myself. It adds spice to my conversation.” - GBS
GBS ?
George Bernard Shaw
Thanks. Interesting guy.
"A gentleman is one who puts more into the world than he takes out"
@RUncELL Sounds like an interesting way of doing things. I don't own Nanostudio. You said "Then open in NanoStudio each drum hit ( all 16 pads on trigger 1) and make a beat." When you say put all 16 pads on "trigger 1" do you mean all the sounds are triggered by one note?
He resampled his old song into a massive hit!
There's some really good ideas in here. I think more people shod give this a go when they are having writers block.
auria Pro says it will do audio to midi conversion... Curious how this works out
If you want to do Audio to midi right now, I think Multitrack Studio does it, but I have found that Secret Base Design's Midimorphosis does the trick quite well offline and in realtime. Realtime is fun because because you can have a loop playing in Audioshare (very lightweight) and then mess with parameters in the target Midi app in realtime
Sweet! Thanks for the tips!
@AudioGus - It's funny you should mention audio to MIDI conversion because I just discovered it in Ableton which I've had for a month. It works extremely well. You can also create drum patterns and harmonies from an audio file. It's a game changer.
If Auria Pro can pull it off Auria will be a very powerful tool in the iOS arsenal.
Sorry @mkell424, I didn't explain that very well..no not all sounds triggered by one note. The trigger instrument in NanoStudio has 16 pads. I use these pads for my own sounds/samples.
For example.. 1- I make (kick) drum sound on Nave. 2- I record some (kicks) from Nave into Cubasis via AB. 3- Save (kicks) audio to media in Cubasis. 4- Open in twisted wave to cut one kick out. 5- Open the one kick in NanoStudio and place on pad 1 of trigger inst 1. 6- repeat process for each drum sound until all 16 pads have a drum sound. 7- now can make a beat with all sounds and record back into Cubasis as a drum loop.. Etc
I'll do a video about this soon..