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@1P18 said:
Thanks. I like synths with depth and the plan is to use the iPad as a sound module/fx processor with Live. I need to take a closer look at Caustic and Nano as mentioned above but i was mainly curious about the synths as the Gadget demos haven't blown me away but the ims20 and ipolysix demos sound really good butplus i am familiar with them so probably am a little biased but i'm looking for synths geared towards dance and electronica.
@syrupcore yeah caustic looks good.
@PhilW what do you think offers more than ims20 on ios? Do you think there is much overlap with Thor?
@bixnood i could wait for something like z3ta or pick up a couple of synths like Laplace.
@monzo which one, the modular? Might just seal the deal. I just want to spend my money wisely, limited space and all that but i can't just keep buying apps!
@Goozoon and Storm JH1 way ahead of ya.
Thanks for the heads up on the effects.
@eustressor if it had midi out now that would be a no brainer. What do you use it mainly for? The drums and fx gadgets sound most impressive from the demos but the synths leave me a bit underwhelmed.
I'm trying to get a feel for the workflow and it hit me that Auxy is similar and just for getting a flow going with a track it's great despite how limited it is. So i'm enjoying that, if Gadget is Auxy expanded then i have a good idea of what it's going to be like and could be perfect as the foundation for getting tracks together.
@mkell424 said:
Hmmm, i was thinking about using it with Auria via the bus. Having to C&P all the time is one the reasons i'm considering it. Does it slave well to external clock? I could use the beatstep as master...
@mister_rz, the recurring thing i get is that people keep using Gadget, it has staying power and continues to develop. If they integrate their other apps then it would be a great mobile production setup. Anyway been looking around for some good demos of stuff done with Gadget and came across this guy:
Probably won't be everyone's taste, reminds me of Squarepusher but impressive drum programming and arrangements, mixes sound good as well, not sure if the tracks have been mastered but they don't sound thin at all. Also check out his ipolysix tracks.
@musikmachine
Had a quick listen, I can see what you're saying, is very experimental like squarepusher, reminds me of early d&b too, from people like dj fokus, dillinger, t-power and hidden agenda. One track that stuck out for me was master fade her, really liked that one, nice and deep, liked the way it built up resisting the temptation to go overboard, which is no easy feat for amen junkies, I'm getting a bit better after my AA meetings, one step at a time.
I'd say get gadget you seem to of connected with it and looked around for examples, plus if you're familiar with poly and ms20, gadget will be a nice change of pace. I agree, would absolutely love it if korg enabled most of their apps to run in gadget, like module, one reason I bought module, doug's demo sealed the deal. You can't really go wrong with korg stuff, with whatever you decide on, I understand though why so many are excited by gadget, seems like it's got a ton of room left to grow and is very enjoyable to use.
One of the nice things about Korg is they keep things working. I bought my iMS20 (four?) years ago and it's still as good as new. No major developments, but you feel you can trust them not to abandon your purchase after a year or so.
How do the IAP's in Gadget compare to Egoist?
I only have Abu Dhabi but personally I prefer Egoist. That's heavily influenced by the latency I suffer in Gadget, but I'm just a fan of the Egoist workflow.
Saying that though I'm enjoying Yellofier at the moment - it's also possible to trigger short samples via the buttons and editor in that one, and it's as cheap as chips.
@mkell424 said:
I wouldn't worry. If your song gains enough foothold to get Damon Albarn and Korg's attention (assuming those sounds' source would even be discernible in the final composition), you've already won.
@mister_rz said:
Wow i remember those guys, used to listen to a lot of dnb back in the day.
I got it last night, ableton live export decided it. Some good sounds in there, stuff that's not covered by other apps i have and the way i see it it can be used in a number of different ways but it's great for getting the bones of a track together. Like the simplicity of the gadgets but a bit lacking in the fx department on some gadgets.
I thought it was either gonna be another distraction or free me from it but it's great, i see the light now.
Oh yeah really like the fx unit, got some nice transitions and stabs.
@monzo, how do you integrate egoist with Gadget? Multiple streams in the bus?
@parallexobject that's a fair point lol!
Cheers.
My first reason for buying an iPad 1 was iMS-20. Still one of my favorite music apps on the iPad. I have deleted Gadget from most of my iPads at present. For me, it tends to straightjacket the creative process too much for me to produce the kind of music I normally aim at.
I well appreciate that some have pushed at the boundaries of Gadget and produced music outside of what perhaps might be considered its default approaches and have in doing so created some attractive material. For me, that's extra work to overcome something where I could put the time to creating new patches on iMS-20 that suit the genres I'm interested in composing for.
All my opinion and what I find works for me and what doesn't. :-)
@knewspeak - yes - compatible with some tweaking. Marcus Padrini demonstrated that there are some differences between an MS-20 and iMS-20 and it has been speculated that that may be down to the choice of filter implementation in iMS-20 for example vs. the MS-20 he tested against. That being said - the sounds were very close and you can can take most patches for MS-20 and with a little tweaking have iMS-20 sound very very similar. Same with iPolysix.
@MusicInclusive said:
Sounds identical against my MS20, maybe he's using a later model, or the mini version?
@musikmachine said:
My iPad 2 struggles with Gadget on its own, multiple streams are out, I have to record everything separately into GarageBand
To be clearer @monzo - the differences could be adjusted out by changing the filter setting slightly - hence the observation. But, remember there were two different kinds of filters for the MS-20 so - depends which one gets installed.
@MusicInclusive said:
My one is fairly raspy, very much like my iMS20. A couple of friends had MS10's, and despite having less oscillators sounded a lot warmer. I actually preferred the sound of the MS10, though I didn't tell them that...
@MusicInclusive said:
It's all good, different perspectives and all that.
Buying apps can be a crapshoot though so i'm trying to be a bit more careful. This place helps a ton though along with Dougs' videos.
I'm doing dance and electronic but i doubt i'll do everything within in Gadget but it saves having to switch several apps to get audio into Auria which can be a bit cumbersome sometimes. I might still pick up ims20 but plenty of time to decide that!
Anyway got a good flow going with the beatstep, can input, drums, basslines and use to map CCs, transport control and master clock.
@parallaxobject said:
lol That's true. And I doubt they would sue anyway. It would make them look like assholes for suing a regular person for using their app.
@monzo said:
So no advantage to having Abu Dhabi in house? I was thinking it would be easier to arrange and automate the slicers parameters.
@musikmachine said:
To be honest I haven't had much time to play with it as Egoist and loads if ither stuff turned up just after I bought it. I like it, but due to the latency, triggering samples via pads isn't very accurate so I've drifted towards Egoist, and despite it's low price tag, Yellofier which has a similar, but more basic sampler player and slicer. I use that really because it has no latency, but I expect to use Gadget a lot more when I get a new iPad next year.
@musikmachine said:
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I put a drum kit together in Gadget and created channel-strip/effect presets in Auria to maintain a pretty consistent drum sound from track to track. Synths are fine for me, I augment and supplement as needed from Alchemy, Sunrizer, etc. I export the stems into Auria where I add guitar/bass/vox.
Beyond the fantastic UX, one thing worth noting is the commercial sound quality of a pure Gadget project. Mix out your project, normalize it in Audiobus and play it on any speakers. In my experience, Gadget ensures everything it outputs sounds like it's already been mastered. I can only guess the folks at Korg were diligent in striving to keep all generated frequencies safely inside the commercial spectrum, so that even when you mix and match 11 gadgets, it's still clean, serene and ready for boosting.
Adding Auria to the workflow actually is a step backwards, because guitar/bass/Vox starts to muddy things up and take me out of the commercial spectrum. If I were doing strictly electronic music, I'd go full on Gadget plus a few extra synths as needed.
The main thing I miss from Gadget are the promised Audio Tracks, soon it will be 1 year since Gadget was released, and in the description they promised audio tracks was coming. I'm starting to get a bit upset with Korg for not delivering on that promise :-(
I can use Bilbao to pull in short audio parts, but the 5 sec. sample limit makes it hard to use it for anything other than small effects or riffs.
I really hope that we see a big update, WITH audio tracks for Gadgets 1 year birthday ;-)
@monzo ah yeah keep forgetting you're using a 2. I'll have to see if Egoist will sync up with Gadget but the slicer detection in Abu Dhabi seems better or more consistent and there's a lot be said for keeping things contained in a single app. I hope SB tweak the slicer algorithm in Egoist.
@eustressor really? I'll have to to compare the sounds to some mastered material lol, maybe i can skip that stage and go straight to release haha! They do sound good but i've only listened on cans.
@Pete321 i thought the slicer was Korgs' solution to getting audio into Gadget, wasn't aware they had promised audio tracks but that's good to know. If they're consitently dleivering on what they say they will i shall remain optimistic!
@musikmachine said:
The more time I spend on this forum the more I realising I'm missing out on a lot of fun by running an older device. I'm still working on the missus to get the thumbs up but I reckon I'll be getting that new iPad soon
I dream of running multiple AB chains and having more than 5 tracks in Gadget....and escaping from the CPU friendly clutches of GarageBand....still it's all good practice!
Picked up the Korg Legacy Collection would love to see any, no all of these on iOS, been around for ages but still sound so good, would even like to see the Legacy Cell MS-20 x PolySix, both together these two sound great.
@musikmachine My Gadget mixes pass all my mono, headphone and speaker tests - including the all important car stereo test - with flying colors. Loud and clean with nary a drop of additional processing or EQ. My "standard" mixes - not so much. That's where the sleeves get rolled up.
I'm actually surprised more hasn't been said about this. The upside is these great, clean sounds only get cleaner once I start rolling off bottom end, etc. in my iDAW.
So what about imported external audio into Gadget? Do you think Gadget does any mastering or smoothing of these when it renders the track?
@knewspeak said:
I've been half-expecting to see iMono/Poly. I see there's also a Reason rack extension for it, like there is for Polysix.
M1 (with sequencing) is on Nintendo DS, but I figure it's less likely to get faithful port on iOS because there's probably more overlap with Gadget and Module (in both sequencing and sounds).
@Matt Sorry, can't say. I've only used Gadget's internal sounds.
I've recently been wondering what KORG have going on in the background with Gadget's mixing, too. Everything just comes out sounding clean.
I've been experimenting with cranking up the limiter to get a nice ducking on the whole mix triggered by the kick drum. I've found that I can really push the limiter hard on most tracks, and often get a very crunchy and loud sound that's still strangely professional sounding.
Obviously not good for the dynamic range, but great for the genres I work with.
I do wish the reverb send effect was a bit better, though. It's not horrible but it doesn't sound as good as Virsyn's AudioReverb.
Didn't know about M1 on the DS, Korg, like God, do move in mysterious ways. In Gadget yes I too would love to see midi out - audio in, that would be the 'one' gadget I want most.
HI @Phantasm...
Sorry, dumb question probably - but I find cranking up the limiter for the whole track works well for 80% of a track but then when the heavy stuff like drums or bass is taken out of the track for a section everything else jumps up louder and that sudden jump in all the other instruments sounds pretty odd/wrong.
Any advice on what i'm doing wrong? Obviously you can;t automate the limiter for different parts of the track.
Maybe i'm using it wrong?
@eustressor I am curious about something you said, that when you add the bass/voice to a Gadget track in Auria it doesn't sound clean any more. Can you detail a bit? Is it frequency clashes, the Auria fx or something else? How do you clean it up?