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Just checking … do you have all the Send <Pressure, etc.> options enabled?
I do think there’s an issue (see above) but I did miss enabling some of those in some of my own tests.
Yes, everything is turned on. I just looked at Animoog Z's output and no pitch change info seems to be sent out or very seldom.I have to knock off for the evening. An interesting test would be to send MIDI from one instance to another.
Let’s say I record into atom2, from the animoog keyboard, and let it record a length of bars, repeating my riff till I get it right. Then I can cut those good bars in atom and paste them somewhere else preserving the expression, not just the midi notes, right? I know it can’t edit the CCs but can it copy/paste them?
That would be an improvement over recording the audio, then finding and trimming the right section to loop. I would be able to change the tempo and pitch using only midi, instead of time stretching/pitchsifting audio, for starters. And try different presets in animoog using the same riff...
Am I right about this?
It seems like the COR (correction) knob plays a part on pitch bend messages behavior. When it’s fully engaged then I only see note on and note off messages, but reducing it does show pitch bend messages with note off/on when crossing some threshold. That said, if everything is being recorded Animoog should interpret those messages correctly, as if it was being played live.
I have no idea. 😬 There’s only one way to find out for sure.
But it doesn’t seem like MPE out and back in is working too well at the moment anyway.
Thanks, I'll try it myself for sure. I own atom2, never tried recording MPE into it, but I intend to buy animoog z soon, and will make that test for sure. Come to think of it, I can try with animoog OG now, but I've seen mention of the quirks with MPE export that you mention, and what I really want is to be able to do this in AZ. Anyway, I'm sure moog will iron out any problems in no time, so, fingers crossed...
On second look, I had send poly pressure on but not also channel pressure. Turning on channel pressure also was key. Now playing one Animoog instance from another's keyboard works.
MIDI recordings in Atom 2 are still not playing back right for me when sliding between pitches -- but I haven't looked into it enough to understand why. Animoog Z's keyboard sends out both pitch bend and events for the notes you slide over. I need to look on a MIDI monitor to see if I can spot a difference between what Animoog's keyboard sends and what Atom 2 plays back. I am not ruling out user error.
Isn’t the key slide magic in animoog performed with pitch bends? I remember recording animoog into Xequencer long ago, and you could see the pitch bends (and it played back correctly). Never tried with atom2, and haven’t played with animoog for a long time, but I intend to with AZ, once these glitches get sorted
Yes, the pitch sliding is pitch wheel -- but the after pressure is important for other aspects of the sound. The initial glitch that I had was assuming that the default poly pressure was sufficient when channel pressure was key.
I am still trying to figure out the pitchbend issue as things aren't sounding right on that front. But since controlling one instance of Animoog with another's keyboard is sounding right -- the issue must be related to what is being recorded into Atom or what it is playing back. I tried to compare the streams using a MIDI monitor AU but the results were weird. So, I need to try another monitor in case I am seeing a bug in the monitor.
Its good that you did the direct app to app test. That pretty much rules out Animoog Z as the cause (I think).
Was thinking the old animoog was cleverly using potamento and potamento time for the pitchbends and polypressure for the vertical axis. Off course to be mpe compliant it now reacts to channel aftertouch, pitchbend and cc74 on multiple channels.
To be sure of reproducable midi recordings I would use an external keyboard. Something like a seaboard or the velocity keyboard au.
I just used MIDIScope to compare what Atom sends out vs what Animoog Z sends out -- and MIDI Scope shows some events that I didn't see in the MIDI Tools monitor (from Animoog). One thing that jumps out is that Animoog Z sends out some events labeled as 'portamento control' in MIDI Scope that I am not seeing in the Atom stream.
I'll have to stop looking into it now -- hopefully someone else will find this interesting enough to look into.
UPDATE: after rebooting everything, I am now seeing the portamento events from Atom.
Does it actually respond to cc74? If so then what is that named in the mod matrix? I see Pressure as a control source, but not anything I can identify as MPE expression (cc74).
Had to check, it appears Animoog Z is interpetating cc 74 as modwheel.
as is tradition
Ahh, thanks for checking!
So, it's not full MPE in that respect. Modwheel isn't per-note. Good enough and makes sense though.
Hey @sclurbs - heads up. I think you were interested in this as well.
Modwheel is per note if the notes are per channel.
Just like the pitchbend.
Yes @sclurbs now i remember animoog was allready ready for mpe.
Ahh cool. Thanks for the clarification. That's awesome!
Here is an example of what I am seeing/hearing...is it just me or does the pitch sliding sound noticeably different?
It seems like atom does not record portamento on/off.
Is it where the moog keyboard has less keys per octave ( I think ) So pitch sliding might be different recorded to atom.
Obviously ignore if comment is silly. Surely its not the case ( from moog )
Super dumb ( me )
When recording from the Animoog keyboard into cubasis as an auv3, playback doesn’t seem to play sliding notes at all. It records events on CC 84 (portmento) but they have no effect.
Anyone else tried cubasis? Edit: re-read the OP!
If there are any tests you would like me to run tomorrow with MultiTrackStudio then let me know.
I think AEM and Photon AU also claimed to record MPE which could be tested for comparison.
Of course.
Thanks.
This thread was brought to my attention today.
If you're still struggling with recording and playing back Animoog Z performances. MIDI Tape Recorder is a solution that might work for you:
https://uwyn.com/mtr/
MTR is great . It’s release solved all the issues I encountered.