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So farewell then quoquog… another fallen hero on the Apple update battlefield
I hate IOS updates. Each time they come around, I have to decide: is it worth the risk? Now they dump off apps to make room for the install, it’s only after the reboot you find if those old stagers - Koushion, Giant Isopod, Quoquog… long gone from the App Store, unsaveable by any other means, still loved - made it through.
Luckily, the still unique Koushion grid sequencer is there, and my much loved Giant Isopod noise machine. But quoquog didn’t make it… Gonna have to freeze this iPad soon I think, or risk losing them too. And all because Apple deliberately took away the ability to maintain a proper hard disc based backup.
Bastards.
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If you've bought them you should still be able to install from the App Store. Look under your purchases.
@cyberheater : Nope. That doesn’t work. I have still-functional apps going back to 2009, maybe yours are still recent enough to be live on the store. My understanding is that this occurs once the app author stops paying their annual ransom to Apple (? Happy to be advised if this is not the ‘reason’) .
For example, I have many apps on my original iPad 4 which just do not exist any more. They work fine, but only on an iPad with a battery life now measured in minutes. They remain listed in my purchases, but cannot be downloaded from my purchases list.
Gone for good, because not even on my Zombi iPad are, e.g., Little Midi Machine, S4 Industrial Composer, Ambient Mixer… I could go on. Paid cold hard cash for them all, now all gone, forever. It’s worth remembering you are only ever renting whatever app you pay for on iPad, and it can (at some point probably will) disappear on a whim, no matter how much you want/need it.
Also: third party backup options do not get round this, whatever you may have been told.
@0tolerance4silence : I have automatic updates turned off to guard against this eventuality. My iPad is usually running close to max, and I prefer to manually make space for installs when I go for them. This time, I downloaded the install, had the option to ‘temporarily remove’ apps, declined… and the bloody thing went ahead and did it anyway.
What grips me is that there used to be a perfectly functional way to make your own whole-iPad backup locally onto hard disc, apps included - and Apple deliberately took it away, presumably to force people to pay for Cloud storage. Them nerfing obsolete apps when their creators won’t keep stumping up is just the nasty icing on the razor blade gateau.
Who’s CyberLuke?
You are right about when authors stop being a Apple dev.
I just did a Google.
“ If your Apple Developer Program membership expires, your apps will no longer be available for download and you won’t be able to submit new apps or updates. You’ll lose access to prerelease software, Certificates, Identifiers & Profiles, and TSIs. However, your apps will still function for users who have already installed or downloaded them”
That’s quite a problem.
So is there no way to make a personal back up of just your apps?
I used to do it, but access to apps on an iOS device isn't so transparent anymore.
I'd be willing to bet they are 32bit apps and that's why you can't download them.
Most of my old apps are still visible but won't download cause "this developer needs to update this app"
@Svetlovska what is that quoquog? a music making app?
i cannot find anything about it on google...
did you run it on your newton?;)
It has been many years since app files were included in device backups. Currently, iMazing can download and archive apps you own. Interestingly, some apps even if they don’t show up as downloadable on your device are still downloadable via iMazing. You can try it out with the free trial version.
Curious about this idea that some apps are downloadable from iMazing that are not downloadable elsewhere…
The issue of ios updates shutting out deprecated apps is vexing since iPad #1, 2010. Ive saved that device, (iOS 5) and my last Pro to keep some favorite apps alive. And kick myself for updating iOSs for access to a new set of apps (which i never use) and lose apps i used all the time…
The list is long, and boring im sure, but im mad at the whole Update forcing Upgrade cycle, and mad at myself for giving in. I have after all signed user agreements saying im only leasing the stuff i keep thinking i bought. Ok Boomer…
It's not so mysterious. You use iMazing to download the current version of the app from the AppStore, no magic in that. The app file is now stored on your computer. Then, later on, you can use iMazing to reinstall the app as needed. Note that you cannot use iMazing to fetch an old version of the app; it can only access the current AppStore, same as your device. You must have downloaded the earlier version of the app when it was current. You have to plan ahead.
Thanks…The procedure you outline is familiar, i had hopes that there was a voodoo beyond the usual
@0tolerance4silence : you ask why I risk updating at all. Fair question. Why I feel the pressure to update is that this same device I use for music is also the one I use for everything else including banking, subs to online services etcetera. When an update mentions ‘security’ and ‘bug fixes’ it is hard in that context to ignore. I may at some point get another iPad, and reserve it solely for music apps, which could make the security risk more manageable I suppose. But this is a problem artificially created by Apple’s backup policy, plain and simple. I have to live with it, but I don’t have to like it.
I am still fairly new to the whole music making scene, but I have noticed this subject coming up a few times before on this forum. While the portability of mobile devices is convenient and the price difference between device apps and their desktop equivalents can be considerable, the long term usability of desktop and hardware appeal to my fiscally conservative nature. I still have the second guitar I ever bought from 30 years ago and, with occasional tune-ups, still plays wonderfully. I was fortunate enough to be able to invest in a M1 Mini when they came out and invested in the full Ableton Live Suite last year. If I want to, I can sell any of these and recoup some of my investment. This can’t be said for ANY of the apps I have purchased over the last few years. My income situation has changed in the last several months and I’m not sure when new hardware purchases will be a viable option again, but, almost without exception, anything new to add to my music making quiver will be something I can use over the long haul and/or something I can trade or sell off. I understand not everyone’s situation allows them to invest the kind of funds I have been able to invest into my hobby and I definitely get G.A.S. seeing other people’s setups, but as the decades behind me pile up, many of my financial decisions include the thought of “will this last me the rest of my days?” plays a big part in my decision making. Thank you @Svetlovska for reminding me to stay the course, no matter how shiny that new app may seem!
I would interpret this as a bug in the update system from Apple. Even if the dev has stopped paying the developer fees the applications that have been purchased already should remain working on the device as long as they stay compatible with the OS and libraries. If an update breaks an app, then it should stay on the device until the user decides to delete it.
If Apple removes anything from the device in a simple update, then it's their responsibility to put it back. It doesn't matter if it is current in the App Store. I'd file a bug report and ask them to fix it.
iMazing is great insurance for saving beloved apps. Once you backup your apps you can rest assured that you can go back to them in the future. You can even save multiple versions and go back to an older one if you want. Highly recommended.
Looks like I might have to invest if I want some of my apps to last over the next 5 years
You can grab the iOS Apps using the Apple Configurator 2 application too. It's a bit of a pain to use because you have to locate and copy the app bundle from a cache location when it's downloaded, but it's free and does work. I used it when I was testing iOS apps out on the Mac when Apple first made that possible.
I could be wrong, but I think the free version of iMazing is sufficient for this.
I’ll check out both of your suggestions @wim and @NeonSilicon